Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Are stockless flamethrowers the norm?
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ofim
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:17 am
#1
misunderstanding on my part
the accuracy gained from the stock is irrelevent to a master commando anyway you cut it, it's really insignificant to the better (even if only slightly better) speed. If you're worried about the accuracy of your flamers you would be better served by using a scope. the .2xx-.3xx that a stock adds makes it much harder to get 2.7-3.0 speed slices. Master commando's really aren't as inaccurate as people think...it's when someone "dabbles" with only the flamer tree that they are extreamely inaccurate. not to mention that the 40 damage that it adds onto a 850 damage weapon will most likely go unnoticed.
a 4.7 flamer can hit 3.0 @35%
a 4.3 flamer can hit 2.7 @35%
a 4.7 flamer can hit 3.2 @30%
a 4.3 flamer can hit 3.0 @30%
the 4.3 flamer can hit the better speed area much easier making for more weapons with those numbers allowing you to command a higher price for more of your weapons making you more profit.
PaladinX333
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:05 pm
#2
Although I have been a weaponsmith for months, I had never crafted a flamethrower before yesterday. The customer opted fora stockless model, with it's modest improvement in speed and it's reduction in HAM costs.
Is this how the average commando wants his flamethrower made? Do your customers want them stocked or unstocked?
I am going to craft up a few more and I was just wondering if one type was preferred over the other.
Solarstryder
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:21 pm
#3
Sorry, that I don't know the answer either, but asking in the Commando forum, may give some good insight from some of the users.
EDIT: btw this isn't one of those 'wrong forum' responses. Just a thought that I had on how to get your information.
Message Edited by Solarstryder on 12-21-2004 11:22 AM
Ybagi
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:34 pm
#4
If I have stocked and stockless flamerthrowers on my vendor, the stocked ones always sell first.
I think the DPS is better on a stockless one which is true of almost all weapons that don't hit speed cap.
SeaRaptor
Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:46 pm
#5
I never put stocks on flamers or LLCs. Most players complain about how slow they are; making them slower doesn't get me any more sales. My latest batch of flamers on Tempest was 4.3 speed, and I got a few kudos e-mails for that (new steel spawn really cut them down, and I switched to non-advanced barrels too).
CMYK
Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:59 pm
#7
4.3???!!!! Wow, how good is that iron?
And yes, I believe that every decent commando should use a stockless one, the +40 in dmg isn't that important in a weapon that already does 850+ dmg, not as important as the speed of course.
And yes, I believe that every decent commando should use a stockless one, the +40 in dmg isn't that important in a weapon that already does 850+ dmg, not as important as the speed of course.
Woodis
Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:27 am
#8
Even with like -1.0 speed tissues, a form-fitted stock, and of course a normal barrel, you're looking around 3.0 speed add in a 30% + speed slice, and you're around 2 seconds. Going to be tough to get much better than that, going to need some daaaamn good loot!
- Woodis
ps By the way, I almost always sell stockless FTs & LLCs, like the previous poster said, when you're damange is already so high, 40 more does not make up the near half a second you lose with a stock. I also use normal barrels, which saves about an extra .1 sec.
Ybagi
Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:22 am
#9
Just doing a simple DPS on my flamethrowers comparing stocked vs non stocked,
there was between 2-1 DPS edge for the non stocked versions
Its my understanding that slower weapons will gain a greater advantage from the players speed mods so the DPS on a stocked version may be greater due to the player skills yeilding a greater reduction on the slower stocked version.
regardless I don't think a 1-2 DPS is a big difference and the benefit of the increased accuracy from the stock is probably worth it.
Ybagi
Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:50 am
#10
I added the player speed mod for flamerthrower of 45 based on the formula at: http://killyourpc.org/swg/speedguide.html
Nonstocked Stocked
Unsliced DPS268.28266.67
35% DMG slice362.18360.00
15% DMG slice308.53306.67
35% Speed slice412.74410.26
15% Speed slice315.63313.73
Doh! who knew that bracket was important!
Message Edited by Ybagi on 12-22-2004 10:02 AM
Woodis
Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:57 am
#11
Hey great work thanks for the info, good stuff to know. Looks like unstocked are just barely higher as you predicted...and I'd have to agree that the range bump from the stock is well worth the slight to nil damage loss. Five stars for your great research!
- Woodis
CrashNgoBoom
Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:22 am
#12
I used to only make stocked thinking bigger is always better.....then one of my characters went commando and wow, the delay seemed to be forever. I then crafted myself a non-stocked and was MUCH happier. I still have a stocked one with a damage slice in my inventory though for certian situations like taking that opening shot on a bounty that isn't buffed or holding a lightsaber(hehe). But for everything else it's speed sliced and non-stocked.
SeaRaptor
Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:35 am
#13
It's not the iron, it's the steel: 998 CD, 808 OQ.
CMYK wrote:
4.3???!!!! Wow, how good is that iron?
As far as I know, this is mere conjecture. REALLY fast krayt tissue might get you there, but we're talking something on the order of -2 or -2.5 seconds here, and you'd still need a speed slice.
CMYK wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone hard about a 1.0 speed flamer?
This seems to make sense. I think there would be greater demand for stocked flamers IF there were any working commando speed tapes. As it is, speed on heavy weapons seems to be a key selling point... for me, at any rate.
Ybagi wrote:
Its my understanding that slower weapons will gain a greater advantage from the players speed mods so the DPS on a stocked version may be greater due to the player skills yeilding a greater reduction on the slower stocked version.
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