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Thread: Petition to delete the temp-nerf schems/weapons from the game **Keep at the top**

Mightee
Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:36 pm
#1

1) It gives an unearned advantage to 12 point smiths that could get online that day...and those that couldn't

2) It gives MORE of an unearned advantage to 12 point smiths over other smiths

3) It's just the right thing to do when a patch that should have never been pushed was pushed anyway.

4) Forces those without integrity to be equal to those who do.


I am an 11 point smith and I wholeheartedly think that SOE should delete all temp-nerf schems and any weapons that were made with them from this "temporary" patch. The patch was shot down due to the very reasons this petition should be paid attention to and heeded. Damage has been done and I ask that SOE fix it....please /sign below if you agree..


All the greedy 12 point smiths please feel free to 1-star me as I'm sure you will...it matters not because deep down you know that this is the right thing to do.


If this is already planned, TH and Logix...please state so.



Mightee - Purveyor of Fine Arms
"Helpin' peeps blow shizz up since 2003"
Mightee's Weapons Boutique
Coronet, Corellia ( + 209, -5429)
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Bachreus
Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:34 am
#2

Dude do you really think it will affect your buisness that much? My buisness hasnt slumped and even if it did, I still have tons of money. I would rather make the petition to get rid of all of the skill tapes period, since half of them were purchased with ebay credits. It makes me frickin sick. NERF SKILL Tapes (Because i cant afford to buy them lol).



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Lurax
Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:00 am
#3


12 pts? unearned? You're obviously one of those people who complain about the rarity and difficulty of obtaining these, and then goes and points the finger at the people who have worked hard to get them saying they don't deserve any sort of advantage from it.


I've never used Ebay or anything of the sort, thanks. 1-star for you.


By the way, I should add that I agree these schems need nerfing, but using this petition as an excuse to rant about people who have what you don't is just immature.

Message Edited by Lurax on 03-19-2004 09:05 AM



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Aogik
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:44 am
#4

I am a master weaponsmith on Intrepid. I made it about a month ago. Anywho, I made weapons before, during and after the patch and didnt see any significant change. More great success, but I am a rodian with 110% weapon assy so it should be that way. I honestly believe that the patch was for the better of the smiths( weapon) in particular. I would like to hear what the patch did to the smiths that was so wrong. Thank you



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SeaRaptor
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:55 am
#5

I've got my 12-points, and I think they should go.


/sign





Felton Kel
Master Weaponsmith, FelKel LTD Weaponsmiths

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Siymon
Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:56 am
#6

It created a gap between WS that bought/looted Weapon Experiment tapes and those that didn't. The 10pt WS didn't believe that they could sell any weapons. (More ignorance than anything else) While I admit that 12 pt WS were much better after the patch but i would expect that.



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TarraS
Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:51 pm
#7

The problem isn't that 12 pt smiths are better, they should be. The problem was the one day oddity that creates an unbeatable gap. If I am able to get my 12 points now, I still can't make schems that match those of 3/17.
AtlantisCH
Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:31 pm
#8






Mightee wrote:

1) It gives an unearned advantage to 12 point smiths that could get online that day...and those that couldn't

2) It gives MORE of an unearned advantage to 12 point smiths over other smiths





Wow, you must think everyone is unworthy of having extra experimentation points. I think I've earned my 11th and 12th point. I worked my rear end off for months and months building up a customer base, making sells and evolving as an armorsmith, I finally purchased enough to get me 2 extra experimentation points, I feel that I EARNED that. I for one think the system was great (minus the flaws, especially with the BE class), I don't care if I would have had 10 points or 12, it is still a great system because it makes crafting challenging, its a whole lot like going to a casino, fun, entertaining, and it leaves you saying "one more try". Something the current system DEFINATELY does not have. Sure 12 point smiths would have a slight edge, but it would add diversity to the economy, and I don't care what you say, 1-2 weaponsmiths can't supply the entire server with weapons, and I'm 100% sure 1-2 armorsmiths couldn't either.



AtlantisCH

Master Armorsmith (Radiant)
Vendors: TBA
EdOWar
Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:14 pm
#9



Once the Devs decided they weren't going to implement the new crafting system, it never should have seen the light of day, not even for one second let alone a full day. However, I don't think any schematics made on that day should be reverted or nerfed, it would just cause too many headaches. I'm a 10 point smith and I haven't seen a reduction in business, and I don't think I will because of that one day.


I'll admit that I made one schematic on 3/17 that came out better than my standard: a ABPH with 21 min, 44 max and -.41 speed (my normals are 42 max damage). All the other WS schematics I tried that day came out about the same or worse than my standard. I kept the improved ABPH schematic, and I'll use it to make slightly improvedweapons forfriends and guildmatesand maybe a couple of limited edition weapons. I suppose I could have stocked up on improved ABPH schematics, but I decided to do just the one, and I don't think the decision is going to cost me much business.


Overall, however,I oppose the new crafting system because 12 point smiths go from having a competitive advantage to having an overwhelming advantage. The SEAs go from being a luxury item, something nice to have, to a necessity. And given how rare and expensive SEAs are, I don't think it's fair to inflict thatonany master smith, regardless of how long they've been in business. I'm not saying that 12 point smiths haven't earned their tapes, I just don't think having the tapes entitles them to an overwhelming advantage in the game.


Slim Vargo, Corbantis


Message Edited by EdOWar on 03-19-2004 04:15 PM

Message Edited by EdOWar on 03-19-2004 04:17 PM

LLJK_Griz
Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:01 pm
#10

I don't think they have the ability to retroactively change any crafted items.


Prenerf probots - still have 3k HAM


Old and semi-old T21s - massively better than anything we can make now


Old DX2s - they couldn't retroactively fix the accuracy so everyone had to trash their crates of DX2s and make new ones


Uncrated old FWG5/scatter/launcher - still in the game



I think the crated pistols were only affected because the item schematicswere changed. They won't be able to do that on anything else.




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Biggens77
Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:52 pm
#11

i have 12 points and i made a few schematics. im not worried about them gettin nerfed because they will be sold out by then lol. and if you are mad at me to bad. ive been playign since launch and earned the money to buy my exp tapes. stop cyring and put some effort in and you can have them too. oh and my sales for the past 3 days is at just abotu 25 mill.

Message Edited by Biggens77 on 03-19-2004 08:55 PM



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Mightee
Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:57 pm
#12

I misstyped...thanks for jumping on me without using your brains asswipes....i MEANT to type it gives an UNEARNED advantage to 12 point smiths who could log on that day and make schems all day over the 12 points smiths that couldn't....



Jackasses...





Mightee - Purveyor of Fine Arms
"Helpin' peeps blow shizz up since 2003"
Mightee's Weapons Boutique
Coronet, Corellia ( + 209, -5429)
"The floggings will continue until morale improves"--Garva and Virrago
AtlantisCH
Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:31 pm
#13

How is it unearned? I earned the advantage by logging on. Crafting is not now, and has never been for the casual player, if you're serious about it, you nearly HAVE to log on every day.



AtlantisCH

Master Armorsmith (Radiant)
Vendors: TBA
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