Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Question from a Resource Miner and eventual Weaponsmith
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DarkFloyd
Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:36 pm
#1
Hello to the Weaponsmith community from arguably the sexiest Wookiee on Tempest.
I am expecting for my main character to become a Padawan in the near future, so I was thinking about the alt that I get at that point. I am aware that I am going to need a good source of cash to finance my needs, and plan on going Swordsman and going loot hunting for a while, as well as continuing to harvest resources, as I do now.
However, I think eventually I may want to do some crafting, and since my guild has an Armorsmith, Chef, and Doctor, and I am not up for Shipwright, that leaves Weaponsmith as a logical choice for me. Now, I am well aware that it is a lot of work getting all the resources and doing everything I need to do to run a good business, but I have enjoyed the crafting that I have done in the past. So I am willing to do a bit of work.
However, I was wondering, knowing this future goal, what types of resources I should try to seek out and start stockpiling? Is there anything in paticular that you guys go through a lot of? I was hoping that since I have the advantage of being able to plan ahead, as well as do mining in great quantities, I would be able to have an advantage when I actually get to the point where I am a Weaponsmith.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
I am expecting for my main character to become a Padawan in the near future, so I was thinking about the alt that I get at that point. I am aware that I am going to need a good source of cash to finance my needs, and plan on going Swordsman and going loot hunting for a while, as well as continuing to harvest resources, as I do now.
However, I think eventually I may want to do some crafting, and since my guild has an Armorsmith, Chef, and Doctor, and I am not up for Shipwright, that leaves Weaponsmith as a logical choice for me. Now, I am well aware that it is a lot of work getting all the resources and doing everything I need to do to run a good business, but I have enjoyed the crafting that I have done in the past. So I am willing to do a bit of work.
However, I was wondering, knowing this future goal, what types of resources I should try to seek out and start stockpiling? Is there anything in paticular that you guys go through a lot of? I was hoping that since I have the advantage of being able to plan ahead, as well as do mining in great quantities, I would be able to have an advantage when I actually get to the point where I am a Weaponsmith.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Night4554
Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:47 pm
#2
What I did/do:
Downloaded JnF's Crafting Tool mod by Sloejack 1.66.8 from swgcraft,.com - got it hooked up with SWGCraft's Database.
Looked at the What To Harvest Today Sheet, and watched the resources. When the percentage in Blue was high enough, I looked at the swgcraft database, and saw the ranking for that resource and specifics (IE: 50% OQ 50% CD)
When that was first or second or third or so, harvested that resource.
Downloaded JnF's Crafting Tool mod by Sloejack 1.66.8 from swgcraft,.com - got it hooked up with SWGCraft's Database.
Looked at the What To Harvest Today Sheet, and watched the resources. When the percentage in Blue was high enough, I looked at the swgcraft database, and saw the ranking for that resource and specifics (IE: 50% OQ 50% CD)
When that was first or second or third or so, harvested that resource.
DarkFloyd
Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:55 pm
#3
Cool. We on Tempest have a specialized database that a couple dozen people keep up-to-date, and it is seperate from SWGCraft. I check this regularly, and I will harvest any resources that hit that are very high quality. I was just wondering, though, if there's resources that I should look out for in paticular, or whatnot. I just don't want to be stuck with a ton of a high-quality resources that are used in small quantity, and only in a few items.
ana-mo-cara
Sun Jan 16, 2005 7:05 pm
#5
One your late to the party. Every other padawan beat you to it. All servers have a glut of crafters ninety percent failing miserably.
Two with the influx of jedi there is actually less call for weapons.
Three you will need months of resources. I kid you not to just be worth a lick.
Four being a weaponsmith requires more then hoarding resources it requires alot of practice. You need to know why you are useing that stock over that stock.
Five weaponsmith requires over fifty resources, and you get no choice in when they spawn. Expect to spend alot of time going from endor to lok to dathomir tending harvesters.
If your looking to make creds weaponsmith is not the place to do that anymore. You will have less fun as your realize you will spend months loseing credits. When I created my alt weaponsmith. I calculate I spent atleast eight million credits just to establish. So up untill that point I was actually bleeding my BH white to make my master weaponsmith. Unless you have an insatiable desire to make weapons. It might not be for you.
The simple facts are. Everyone else is alting a weaponsmith. A year and a half ago there was money there. The money is not there anymore. Do not get me wrong you can make a liveing. Just not the millions of credits your going to need. You just cannot sell the same VK everyone else is makeing for 50k. You will find that you are utterly subject to things you cannot control. You can expect to have to be in a mall or take up a chunk of advertiseing. You might expect to have to master smuggler.
If you want to use a prof to support your character here are my picks.
Scout/ranger you can make good credits for harvesting and selling resources. Bonuses the right resources can fetch fifty credits a unit. Bonus you have more control over credit influx the more you harvest the more you make.
Doctor a tripple threat. You can sell buffs. You can sell stim bs. You can sell wound packs, and good doctor shops are hard to comeby. So you will find less competition for planted vendors.
Bounty hunter avenger faction missions. Lightning fast missions. You take a faction mission you walk up to the llc you hit single two with your llc. Instadeath. No aggro you just walk up to each npc and blast away.
Armorsmith sheild engineer. Few people compete in this market. Rewards you do not have to master. You make crates of them sell them in the street or on the bizarre low cost noobs and experts alike snatch them up for a little more protection.
Smuggler freelance smugglers are getting rarer by the day but players still need slices. Stand and advertise in a busy npc city. Charge 10k a slice, and watch the credits roll in. Bonus sliceing materials are cheap. Bonus less competition.
Creature handler. I have noticed this as of late. Chs are actually starting to sell mounts again. Alot of new players not haveing any. Enjoy what to them is completely new.
Save yourself time, and not be number ninety weaponsmith on the map.
DarkFloyd
Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:25 pm
#6
Okey. I know I'm late to the party, and I wasn't really into grinding all that much. But I have decided to go for Jedi. I'm not concerned about being the first or best.
I know on MY server, there is still a market for weapons. Granted, we have quite a few Weaponsmiths as it is, but I can make money crafting weapons, and I'm pretty confident in that.
The resources thing... yep, I realize that there are a ton that I need, and it will take a while to collect them. And I know how much work it requires, as I said. Now, I haven't committed to this idea yet. As far as investing to get to where I need to be, I have no problem with that, as my guildies have, in the past, made me loans so I can get up to where I need to be and I pay them back.
I would hesitate to say that "everyone" is alting as a WS. I know a good number of Jedi, and I know maybe a half dozen Weaponsmiths. As for the other ideas to alt as, I am not thrilled. Now, in my opinion, Chef is the best moneymaker out there right now, because they have a product that is constantly being used up, and so there is a demand for it that will not go away. But I'm not going Chef. Why? Because my guildmate is a Chef, and I don't want to step on his toes (err, well, he's a Trandoshan, but you know what I mean :-D). Now, I will do some loot whoring for a while because I know it will take a while to get what I need to be a successful Weaponsmith.
Now... I realize what I may be getting myself into. So let me word it this way. If I *hypothetically* was to become a Weaponsmith in the future, what resources should I start collecting now?
I know on MY server, there is still a market for weapons. Granted, we have quite a few Weaponsmiths as it is, but I can make money crafting weapons, and I'm pretty confident in that.
The resources thing... yep, I realize that there are a ton that I need, and it will take a while to collect them. And I know how much work it requires, as I said. Now, I haven't committed to this idea yet. As far as investing to get to where I need to be, I have no problem with that, as my guildies have, in the past, made me loans so I can get up to where I need to be and I pay them back.
I would hesitate to say that "everyone" is alting as a WS. I know a good number of Jedi, and I know maybe a half dozen Weaponsmiths. As for the other ideas to alt as, I am not thrilled. Now, in my opinion, Chef is the best moneymaker out there right now, because they have a product that is constantly being used up, and so there is a demand for it that will not go away. But I'm not going Chef. Why? Because my guildmate is a Chef, and I don't want to step on his toes (err, well, he's a Trandoshan, but you know what I mean :-D). Now, I will do some loot whoring for a while because I know it will take a while to get what I need to be a successful Weaponsmith.
Now... I realize what I may be getting myself into. So let me word it this way. If I *hypothetically* was to become a Weaponsmith in the future, what resources should I start collecting now?
anja
Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:24 am
#7
Your absolute most critical need is to buy/harvest good resources for your ABPHs and APFMs, namely, diatium copper, phrik aluminum, ostrine carbonate ore, irolunn reactive gas, and polymer for the former, and axidite iron and quadranium steel for the latter. These are the backbones of your ranged weapons and you'll going through a lot of these resources, especially the ABPHs.
Look for Corellian deciduous and link-steel aluminum for your advanced stocks. Same thing with the ingredients for normal/advanced barrels and advanced scopes.
You'll want good desh and platinite copper, and class 3 solid petro for your vibro units.
If your components suck, your final product will not be up to par, even if you have decent ingredients for the final build.
More generally, you'll want the best CD/OQ metals you can find, in all classes. Good SR kammris iron, polysteel copper, and steel. Many obscure and often rare resources like byrothsis and green diamond gemstones and alantium ore -- which all can spawn only once in a blue moon -- are required for items such as stun batons and T-21s.
Go to swgcraft, look at the schematics for the weapons you'll be making, and keep on the lookout for those resources. Better yet, find and print a WS shopping list from this forum or swgcraft. It'll tell you every resource you need, and the important stats you want to focus on. Make sure to read Lunariel's post on resource caps so you can tell when a seemingly bad resource (e.g., plumbum, polonium, desh) is actually good and something you want.
Hope that helps.
Look for Corellian deciduous and link-steel aluminum for your advanced stocks. Same thing with the ingredients for normal/advanced barrels and advanced scopes.
You'll want good desh and platinite copper, and class 3 solid petro for your vibro units.
If your components suck, your final product will not be up to par, even if you have decent ingredients for the final build.
More generally, you'll want the best CD/OQ metals you can find, in all classes. Good SR kammris iron, polysteel copper, and steel. Many obscure and often rare resources like byrothsis and green diamond gemstones and alantium ore -- which all can spawn only once in a blue moon -- are required for items such as stun batons and T-21s.
Go to swgcraft, look at the schematics for the weapons you'll be making, and keep on the lookout for those resources. Better yet, find and print a WS shopping list from this forum or swgcraft. It'll tell you every resource you need, and the important stats you want to focus on. Make sure to read Lunariel's post on resource caps so you can tell when a seemingly bad resource (e.g., plumbum, polonium, desh) is actually good and something you want.
Hope that helps.
dsurfman
Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:20 am
#8
Hey if he wants to be WS let him be WS. Brother if you need anything send me a message. I will be glad to offer whatever Assitance I can. Welcome to the club!
ana-mo-cara wrote:
One your late to the party. Every other padawan beat you to it. All servers have a glut of crafters ninety percent failing miserably.
Two with the influx of jedi there is actually less call for weapons.
Three you will need months of resources. I kid you not to just be worth a lick.
Four being a weaponsmith requires more then hoarding resources it requires alot of practice. You need to know why you are useing that stock over that stock.
Five weaponsmith requires over fifty resources, and you get no choice in when they spawn. Expect to spend alot of time going from endor to lok to dathomir tending harvesters.
If your looking to make creds weaponsmith is not the place to do that anymore. You will have less fun as your realize you will spend months loseing credits. When I created my alt weaponsmith. I calculate I spent atleast eight million credits just to establish. So up untill that point I was actually bleeding my BH white to make my master weaponsmith. Unless you have an insatiable desire to make weapons. It might not be for you.
The simple facts are. Everyone else is alting a weaponsmith. A year and a half ago there was money there. The money is not there anymore. Do not get me wrong you can make a liveing. Just not the millions of credits your going to need. You just cannot sell the same VK everyone else is makeing for 50k. You will find that you are utterly subject to things you cannot control. You can expect to have to be in a mall or take up a chunk of advertiseing. You might expect to have to master smuggler.
If you want to use a prof to support your character here are my picks.
Scout/ranger you can make good credits for harvesting and selling resources. Bonuses the right resources can fetch fifty credits a unit. Bonus you have more control over credit influx the more you harvest the more you make.
Doctor a tripple threat. You can sell buffs. You can sell stim bs. You can sell wound packs, and good doctor shops are hard to comeby. So you will find less competition for planted vendors.
Bounty hunter avenger faction missions. Lightning fast missions. You take a faction mission you walk up to the llc you hit single two with your llc. Instadeath. No aggro you just walk up to each npc and blast away.
Armorsmith sheild engineer. Few people compete in this market. Rewards you do not have to master. You make crates of them sell them in the street or on the bizarre low cost noobs and experts alike snatch them up for a little more protection.
Smuggler freelance smugglers are getting rarer by the day but players still need slices. Stand and advertise in a busy npc city. Charge 10k a slice, and watch the credits roll in. Bonus sliceing materials are cheap. Bonus less competition.
Creature handler. I have noticed this as of late. Chs are actually starting to sell mounts again. Alot of new players not haveing any. Enjoy what to them is completely new.
Save yourself time, and not be number ninety weaponsmith on the map.
ana-mo-cara
Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:57 am
#9
Hey it was just friendly advice. Alot of players still have the impression that ws is still a cashcow. Which it is not. So they alt a ws, and spend four months makeing no credits at all, or stick with it for a month and quit in disgust. Its really a grass is greener type of profession. People think because everyone uses a weapon that ws is a great money makeing profession. Meanwhile the servers are just glutted with weaponsmiths and armorsmiths as is. Like I said most of them not makeing any creds.
If hes serious about resources.
One number one goal do not buy resources. Number one rookie mistake. Mine it yourself. No point going into debt up to your eyeballs buying resources.
Two be mindful of all the resources a weaponsmith need. You cannot be a master and telling people you cannot make them a scatter pistol.
Mine all resources equally. Number 2 mine all the resources. If seven weaponsmith resources are spawn mine all seven. You can go about being choosey later on. Nothing is more self defeating then not haveing that one resource you need to make an item.
Multitask in mineing do not be a follow the leader. True story the best phrik ever hit my server one week. The next day the best chromium even hit followed a few hours later by the best irolunn. Well everyone who was anyone was mineing the hell out of the phrik DEs WS Armorsmiths resource vendors. While I decided to mine the phrik with 4 harvesters 2 mediums and 2 personals. I put my other harvesters on the irolunn and the chromium. Well now few players can compete with my advanced scopes. To the point where some of my weaponsmith friends bought scopes from me to put in special orders. Thanks to mineing the irolunn I make top notch abph. Meanwhile everyone else burned themselves out on that phrik. Its important to not just be a follower. Even if a resource aint in vogue if its good, and fills a spot mine it.
There aint no most important resource. Haveing good power handlers and only being able to put them in dh17s and dl44s will not get you anything. You need to be looking towards haveing all the resources. Not just huge stockpiles of a few.
ssj3_vegetto
Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:38 pm
#10
As a Master Swordsman/Master Weaponsmith myself, I must say that I do enjoy the template, and with novice medic I can even PvP. Weaponsmith is also working well, although yes there are a lot of resources to stockpile. If you're as impatient as I was, I'd reccommend the "Slackers' Guide to making Master Weaponsmith" there should be a link to it in one of the stickied threads above. Generally, get a lot of resources with high OQ/Conductivity or high SR
DarkFloyd
Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:09 pm
#11
anja wrote:
Your absolute most critical need is ...
Hope that helps.
This is exactly the type of thing I was looking for; thank you very much.
Also thank you to the above poster, and thanks for the encouragement! I posted about this on my Galaxy Forums and got some encouraging words. I will be viable by finding a niche, running a great shop, making a sensible product, finding out what customers want... It's all about running a good business. And I will.
I think this can be a lot of fun.
DarkFloyd
Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:08 pm
#12
Ok I got a quick question. I was looking over SWGCraft.com and I see that Projectile Feed Mechs only go into Launcher Pistols, FWG5s, and a handful of quirky weapons (bowcaster and rocket launcher) and just bad weapons (tusken rifle).
Do you WS go through many of these? It seems like almost all ranged weapons need ABPH instead, and so the resources that are required for those would be more important to secure.
Do you WS go through many of these? It seems like almost all ranged weapons need ABPH instead, and so the resources that are required for those would be more important to secure.
giffordgekko
Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:55 pm
#13
m8 i have been collecting resources for the past 5 months - i have some nice and uber stuff but its all chance that i will succeed or not - from day 1 i wanted to be weaponsmith but im still not sure i will make money from it 
btw i have 20 to 30m of resources majority for weaponsmith
btw i have 20 to 30m of resources majority for weaponsmith
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