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I never asked to have it explained, just to have us told that it was changing.



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I don't think this is a nerf and I don't think this is a bug. What they've done is finally properly recognized caps.

If the SR cap for Corellian Decidious Wood is 700 and you have some that 696 then your resource should be treated as a near perfect resource! Doing anything else is plain dumb.
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No, I'll try to explain why.

Why do you all think that there are caps and items that call for named resources? If we were intended to be able to max out everything, then they would have no caps, and no different types of resources. Using that stock example, with that 696, you'll be somewhere around 28-29% to start, also assuming you have >815 Link-Steel. If this was intended from the start, why didn't they do it that way, or if they couldn't, why didn't they just require the OQ stat instead? (so then we could max it)

My point is that we were never intended to max out certain items due to game balance reasons. I never said I wouldn't have fun figuring out how to work the system to the full, again, (look at the link in my sig, I'm jealous of no one, on any server), I'm just complaining about the further headupa$$edness that these devs continue to show.

Message Edited by Amscu_Edfo on 04-29-2005 12:59 PM

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Shaggscoob wrote:

Any arguments against the changes made at this point are just out of ignorance or jealousy (towards smiths that were actually trying to be the best smith they could be, not just using the prof as a money-making crutch)

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Shaggscoob wrote:

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Amscu_Edfo wrote:
I've been screaming about this mistake ever since the CU went to TC. There is now now point to even having named resources. They may as well just remove the caps on all stats, get rid of the variety and just have generics, like "steel", or "iron." This makes me so sick. Talk about dumbing down the crafting game.

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lol, did you even comprehend the post.... They made the crafting game much more difficult!

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Well, they made it more complex to understand. It's the new math. 2 + 2 might, or might not, equal 4. More complex yes, just not in a "good way."

Super Renea,

Clicky to the official dev statement about it.

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Vade_WS wrote:
I don't think this is a nerf and I don't think this is a bug. What they've done is finally properly recognized caps.

If the SR cap for Corellian Decidious Wood is 700 and you have some that 696 then your resource should be treated as a near perfect resource! Doing anything else is plain dumb.

Also, in the old system, there supposedly were some internal adjustments done to compensate for resource caps, though these adjustments never affected the quality bars and didn't do all that much for experimentation.

This is one of the few CU changes that I'm beginning to like.

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All very true Vade. But on balance I think theres a real question about how much better the situation will be. 699SR cor. deci wood will now show that its just as uber as it should be, but resources with high min caps are now greatly negatively effected. The example I used in the AS thread was using polysteel copper for crafing spraysticks. CD on Polysteel is in a range of 928-1000 and with such a high min cap the value in each point is now greatly exagerated. Every point of CD is now weighted the same as almost 14 points of OQ on that resource and as an example a 990CD 1000OQ poly is the same as a 1000CD 861OQ poly

So what we have is a case of best before CU is not necessisarily best post CU. And I'm not really ready to say one situation is clearly better then the other

My heads gonna hurt trying to do the sums in my head

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Ragnaat wrote:

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Vade_WS wrote:
I don't think this is a nerf and I don't think this is a bug. What they've done is finally properly recognized caps.

If the SR cap for Corellian Decidious Wood is 700 and you have some that 696 then your resource should be treated as a near perfect resource! Doing anything else is plain dumb.

Also, in the old system, there supposedly were some internal adjustments done to compensate for resource caps, though these adjustments never affected the quality bars and didn't do all that much for experimentation.

This is one of the few CU changes that I'm beginning to like.

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All very true Vade. But on balance I think theres a real question about how much better the situation will be. 699SR cor. deci wood will now show that its just as uber as it should be, but resources with high min caps are now greatly negatively effected. The example I used in the AS thread was using polysteel copper for crafing spraysticks. CD on Polysteel is in a range of 928-1000 and with such a high min cap the value in each point is now greatly exagerated. Every point of CD is now weighted the same as almost 14 points of OQ on that resource and as an example a 990CD 1000OQ poly is the same as a 1000CD 861OQ poly

So what we have is a case of best before CU is not necessisarily best post CU. And I'm not really ready to say one situation is clearly better then the other

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Ok, just did the math for my Polysteel/Spraystick example.. and HOLY CRAP...

Using 2 of the best resources from Test Center for this example:

Fetei: 988CD 941OQ
Ymalaate: 942CD 999OQ

Before this:
Fetei: 96.45%
Ymalaate: 97.05%

Now with this:
Fetei: 91.62%
Ymalaate: 59.67%

So both resources are worse then before. This is as I expected because anything off 1000CD means a lot more now, so even 999 is further away from perfect then before. But the one that was better before got the crap kicked out of it in a way that I just didn't realize it would before I ran the numbers.

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ShugFlurry wrote:
My heads gonna hurt trying to do the sums in my head

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Indeed

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Ragnaat wrote:

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Ragnaat wrote:

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Vade_WS wrote:
I don't think this is a nerf and I don't think this is a bug. What they've done is finally properly recognized caps.

If the SR cap for Corellian Decidious Wood is 700 and you have some that 696 then your resource should be treated as a near perfect resource! Doing anything else is plain dumb.

Also, in the old system, there supposedly were some internal adjustments done to compensate for resource caps, though these adjustments never affected the quality bars and didn't do all that much for experimentation.

This is one of the few CU changes that I'm beginning to like.

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All very true Vade. But on balance I think theres a real question about how much better the situation will be. 699SR cor. deci wood will now show that its just as uber as it should be, but resources with high min caps are now greatly negatively effected. The example I used in the AS thread was using polysteel copper for crafing spraysticks. CD on Polysteel is in a range of 928-1000 and with such a high min cap the value in each point is now greatly exagerated. Every point of CD is now weighted the same as almost 14 points of OQ on that resource and as an example a 990CD 1000OQ poly is the same as a 1000CD 861OQ poly

So what we have is a case of best before CU is not necessisarily best post CU. And I'm not really ready to say one situation is clearly better then the other

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Ok, just did the math for my Polysteel/Spraystick example.. and HOLY CRAP...

Using 2 of the best resources from Test Center for this example:

Fetei: 988CD 941OQ
Ymalaate: 942CD 999OQ

Before this:
Fetei: 96.45%
Ymalaate: 97.05%

Now with this:
Fetei: 91.62%
Ymalaate: 59.67%

So both resources are worse then before. This is as I expected because anything off 1000CD means a lot more now, so even 999 is further away from perfect then before. But the one that was better before got the crap kicked out of it in a way that I just didn't realize it would before I ran the numbers.

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I noticed the same issue last night with some platinite copper on a schem. Now THIS is a bug. It seems their math is just off.