Weaponsmith Archive

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SpaceGolfer wrote:

OK you smart-a#%^'s want a flame????

Here it comes.

ALL of you are MWS's and couldn't give a crap about the other guys in the MWS business. Take a look at my registration date, and how many posts I've made since then.

In short, I am not a whiner or a post-whore. I'm just a guy that has been quitely enjoying the game (sometimes more than others but that's life) since launch.

I started out in Combat and a few months ago I decided to go for WS. I'm not some mind-numbing power-gamer loser with too much time on my hands or some kid that hasn't hit puberty yet therefore doesn't require getting out of the house to spend time with members of the opposite sex. In case you have a hard time swallowing those statements, that means that I am a casual gamer that actually ENJOYS the game rather than spending every waking moment grinding away when the servers are up and then post-whoring when they're not.

Now that you've got some background on me and my point of view I'm going to tell you why this patch should be crammed up the rears of the people that spitted it out.

- Anyone EXCEPT MWS's have NO CHANCE WHAT SO EVERto break into the market. The reason being is that everything I make now around 3/4 of what I made BEFORE this patch and I have EXCELLENT resources. The only reason that I have as many customers as I do is because I'm not an elitest pig of a WS that most of us are percieved to be. I repair people's weapons for free and am always willing to help them out.

- You're only justification for this nonsense is that "MWS should be able to make better weapons that a new WS". Well I got news for you intellectual giants. TAKE A LOOK AT THE DAMN SKILL TREE!!!! You stupid idiots already do just in the types of weapons you can make!!!! You see any NWS's making T-21's or Laser Rifles? Are you people dense or did you spend too much time Macro-Grinding to notice the tree on the way up?

- Oh, and some of you have horded so many resources you have forgotten how expensive it is to keep harvesters running. If I can't sell a weapon for over 5k... do the math. Even before the patch I was LUCKY to sell a weapon for 18k (currently the best Laser Rifle I have ever made after slice).

If you dissagree with this, fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but just know that there are still a lot of us that are laughing at how retarded you are.

There's your flame... did you like it?

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1- You are a casual gamer, so you cant really expect to be one of the best smiths in your server. A person who works 1 day a week and a person who works 5 days a week.... who gets more done? No1is telling you to be a powergamer,you shouldnt expect to perform likeone.

2- A non master has never been able to break ino the market. If you are a non master and they take out this patch, you are still unable to break into the market. This patch has nothing to go with a non master trying to break into the market,non master WS have never been able to break into the market since launch.

3-Yes ill take a look at the "damn skill tree" ... did you see the skill mod bonuses on it?

4-MWS isnt for everyone, specially a causal gamer trying to compete with the best smiths on their server. If you are not having fun with MWS just change profesions. Personally i have tried many (over 12), some of which i liked and didnt likeand finally found WS which i did like.

What it comes down to is that the harm is already done. The patch went through, factories are running, schematics stored... some of this will get nerfed and some wont but a lot ofwill be out there. Your only chance is to break through in the new market is with the new system because I have 23 factories going atm and with the stats I produced you wont be competing with me for a long long time.

A roll back to the old crafting system is only going to create a market for the 1 day crafting enhancement.

well, i have a master weaponsmith, but he only has 10 exp pts. but i'm gonna sign. I believe in the enhancements, even if i don't have them.

I am a 12 point smith and I made some great weapons using the one day change. But I still don't want this to come back.

What do you think is so good with this change except that you get some better stats on the weapons? Is that all which matters? After a few days everything would settle at the new levels (let say 424 max dam on T-24 instead of 404). It is just replacing one number with another.

I don't agree with some people saying that experimentation results are more predictable. I saw very strange results. I could get all great success on several attempts and still stats were not the same. WIth the old (and current) system I know that on ABPH I would get 20-40 -0.40 if I got all great success. But with this changed system stats varied one point up/down on min/max and 0.1-0.2 on speed even if I got great success in each case.

Also, having amazing success pushing stats further is not that good IMO. The only thing it does is that you need to remake the same schematic over and over again until you get at least one amazing (instead fo all great). Just more work.

The change would really divide WS into A and B smiths depending if they gave 12 skill points or not.

Just one thing, Tortilla is talking about how people cant expect to be the best ws on the server unless they are a power gamre. That doesnt seem to hold true to you tortilla, your a power gamer AND your weapons still SUCK. Noob.

oh that was funny

/sign

I loved the new system, pity it was quashed by a bunch of whinners who didnt know the facts.

Im not a ws but heres the bottom line. A new char starts. wants to be a ws. no money no connections. he will probably NEVER become as good as you after a change like this. enough said

i liked the patch day system too, but from wut im hearing, it was broken, so wut we got was not really the new system........

I diagree. If they left the previous system he could compete. Would it take some time. Your darn right it would. No money? Do some missions.

If your were going to open up a TV repair shop. Could you just graduate from school and start a business. Where is your shop going to be. how are you going to advertise. Ect. it takes money to get started. After the WS grind and a few months of collecting resources and selling weapons on the Bazar (Yes, they will still sell even as a 10pt smith) save up some money to start buying tapes.

I could start a character from scratch tomorrow and in about 4 months be one of the best WS on a server. (No I'm not going to give up my current one to do it) But it can be done. Even in the system they removed. I'm tired of hearing people complain that we can't compete. Then do what you need to do to be competitive.

If a sprinter is slower and keeps loosing to another sprinter what does he do. Complain that he takes better suplements? If that is the case he is going to take the better suplements and work harder.

Should I as a 12 pt smith make a better weapon than a 10 pt smith. YES, with out a doubt.

I agree with everything Siymon says (even though I'm just a 10 pt ws). He's right, with time and a constant system anyone can make top weapons. And I also agree with 12 pts being better than 10, though I wish there was a better way to get them than camping the bat cave with alts or giving millions to those that do that.

Under any system, I think anyone can eventually make competitive weapons. What won't work is changing back and forth. Now that we have all these new schems from 12 pointers, we need to keep the system that created them. Otherwise there is an unbridgable gap not just between the 10's and 12's but between the 12's of 3/17 and anyone that may become a 12 in the future. I think that being the top ws should depend on the time and care you took to research, learn and produce top weapons- not from just being in the right spot at the right time.

Message Edited by TarraS on 03-18-2004 01:37 PM

At first i was against the change but now the circumstances have changed. I can only speak my mind as a weaponsmith because i dont really know how this affected other profesions.

New crafting system:

Yes I am a 12 point smith and I played ALL DAY while the crafting enhancement was in effect. I went to this player city where i found lots of crafters inside a city hall with good crafting stations in itsince the server wentup. I made schematicswhere the results were better likemany othersmiths around me.When I had about 50 schematics on my vendor and my datapadfull of them i decided to call it a day.The 10 points smiths i assume did the same were they found a better result and made schematics as well. Needless to say the 12 point smith schematics were better than the 10 point smiths.

Roll back to the old crafting system:

Today im baking all the stuff i made yesterday using 23 factories. Taking precautiontaking all the items off the crates like many others. Meanwhile... the 10 point smith is doing the same.

What wrong with this picture after all these patches?

1-The 10 point smith willnot have a chance to compete with the 12 point smith because their schematics are weaker however he/she will be able to sell their products at a resonable price because theyhave better than crafted with the old system.

2-Thesmith who just bought the game willnot have a chance to compete with any of the 10 or 12 point who made schematics because they wernt online during the patch day and will eventually quit frustrated by this fact. Regardless of resource quality they will never achieve the results smiths got during patch day.

Solution?

Well in a perfect world the developers would have delayed Publish 7 and removed the crafting system enhacement so that it would have never gone Live... but that didnt happen. The only way I see the new smith competing with the old smiths is by putting the crafting enhacement back in the game. It wont be easy for the new smith beacuse it will take time to gettapes and resources but at least he/she stand a chance competing with 12 point smiths eventually. As the game stands right now i dont see any new smith competing with me for at least 3 years or when i decide to quit the game.