Weaponsmith Archive

Thread: Attn Weaponsmith Coorespondant: The Uber Loot Continues....

Trean
Wed May 26, 2004 8:21 pm
#27



NaKitNa wrote:
I think that once learned I weaponsmith (or armorsmith) should be able to craft the items as many times as they want. I mean how do you forget? That way all these uber looters lose the huge bucks. I am not a WS or an Uber looter and have no way of getting ahold of a Geo pistol that sells for 20mil. I have never made that much in total and I have been here since nigh release. I dont mind paying the WS's and AS's but dont feel like being bent over a log either. And no oyu dont have to buy the items but it makes it hard to compete in the high level combats PVE or PvP when the devs gear everything to the uber/krayt weapons when most of us cant afford them.





Your server must lack alot of WS competition with prices that high, I sold two krayt carbines today(e11 and dh17) totalling 1.2 million.

I sell geo pistols for between 350-500k and I think that is the norm on the server.

I think you either need to hunt around or maybe your server is just very pricey.



Trean Speyr-Caggeyder
Former SWG Player
Voted Starsider's Best Weaponsmith - August 2005

HelRaiZer
Thu May 27, 2004 8:15 am
#28

All this loot crap is getting on my nerves. I've been a WS for months, and NOW these limited use schematics are 1 use. Also extremely hard to get. As a crafter, not likely be able to go get these schematics, and if you do sneak into a group, die fast or not get the loot because you need to hang back so you don't die. So the Elite combat person gets the schematics and will sell it to you for EXTREME high prices, or wants you to make them for themselves, TODAY. I play this game for fun. Some of the loot items I like to collect. Putting a 5 million dollar uber loot item on my wall, I will go broke. I don't like making things when somebody else wants me to, its when I want to. I craft at certain times when I log on, then I stop and do other things. I don't craft everyday, and I really don't want to. Once you've been crafting for a couple months you get a bit bored of it, especially if you have to do it all the time, everyday. Have to run around getting the specific resources, the specific loot items, etc. I have a real job, I don't want to turn WS into another job. I do it for fun, I do it for credits. I actually like some of the weapons I make and collect them. I get a good feeling when I make a few attempts making something and I finally make "THE BEST" I can. Loot schematics takes that all away. One use. Good luck!!!
Intelerebel
Thu May 27, 2004 8:53 am
#29

And another thing........


This thread shouldn't be about "have's" and "have not's".


Are you jealous and/or distraught that you can't get your hands on any special schematics or special components/enhancements? It's not Sony's fault. Try interacting more with other players in the game. Get the "MM" out of "MMORPG". The majority of the SWG population doesn't go Krayt hunting alone, soloing the genosian caves can be a real challenge for anyone, soloing the Corellian Corvette mission is suicide for most people, and let's not even get started on the deathwatch bunker.


Anyway, most of the guys looting all the good stuff can't craft the final product for themselves. Yes folks, they still need a weaponsmith. Some guys just loot this kind of stuff so they can resell it. In any of those cases, you still need to interact with other players in order to get your hands on this stuff.


If you wanna kill big baddies, then go BH or commando or something.....you get plenty of great loot drops. If you want to make a different kindof contribution to the SWG universe, then craft.. But asking for the ability to do both would be absolutely ridiculous, and you know Sony agrees, which is why you cant master weaponsmith and BH (or even Commando).


So put up the cash, or get busy networking with other players, but don't waste your time whining because "Waahhhh, I didn't get any loot drops.".


Anyway, any weaponsmith can still make a quality living by selling high-quality standard weapons.



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LLJK_Griz
Thu May 27, 2004 9:17 am
#30






Datchery wrote:

I've seen some people talking about having -1 use disease and poison weapons that never break (they go to -- damage, and 1/1 condition but after that they keep working!)


What's the deal with that?








That is considered an exploit, and the devs will remove the items if enough people complain. There was something in dev tracker a few days ago where they confiscated someone's 800 point disease gun because it was broken but the disease still worked.



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Mystic_Squirrel
Thu May 27, 2004 9:30 am
#31






Dynastar wrote:
Polearm drops from Nightsisters need a serious nerf, for the sake of Weaponsmiths and Pikemen.

Whats the point of making Long Vibro Axes, despite being maybe the best on the server... you can get a much better looted one in short order?






Are you an idiot? Without these NS drops pikeman would simply be unable to do ANYTHING. The WS made pikes are sacks of **edit**. They have terrible damage, speed and accuracy. There are no enhancements for them so no way to get better.


I still get thrashed in PvP with my 920 dmg LVA, so if I had to use some 380 dmg one made by a whiney WS There wouldn't be any point at all playing the class. Until the devs allow pikes to be made that are not terrible you need to lay off the nightsister bitching.




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JediArchon
Thu May 27, 2004 10:52 am
#32

I'm new to the weaponsmithing community and don't even have my own vendor yet, but I personally don't see the harm in RARE legendary weapons. In any kind of gaming universe like this, you need something like that to spice things up for the people who concentrate on combat (unfortunately some games are ALL combat). I mean if you went out and stumbled across Ben Kenobi's old lightsaber that was somehow spirited off the Death Star before its destruction and ended up in a big pile of bones in a rancor lair, it would be pretty cool.


Does such a thing adversely affect weaponsmithing? No, as long as it continues to be rare. How do you define rare? Well if SOE set it to be 1 legendary weapon drop every week on ever server, over the course of a year that is 52 weapons. That may not sound like much, but compare it to the real world. Could you sit down and count 52 truly legendary weapons in human history? You'd be hard pressed to pick out weapons that weren't just famous, but are actually masterpieces of workmanship AND powerful.So they need to be very rare drops, maybe once a month maximum. This wouldn't at all affect a weaponsmith's business.


Maybe a new feature could be added that would make it an extremely rare, random chance that a MASTER weaponsmith using the absolute best resources available could incidentally create a legendary weapon during the course of his regular crafting.




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Ropik
Thu May 27, 2004 11:23 am
#33






Trean wrote:





NaKitNa wrote:
I think that once learned I weaponsmith (or armorsmith) should be able to craft the items as many times as they want. I mean how do you forget? That way all these uber looters lose the huge bucks. I am not a WS or an Uber looter and have no way of getting ahold of a Geo pistol that sells for 20mil. I have never made that much in total and I have been here since nigh release. I dont mind paying the WS's and AS's but dont feel like being bent over a log either. And no oyu dont have to buy the items but it makes it hard to compete in the high level combats PVE or PvP when the devs gear everything to the uber/krayt weapons when most of us cant afford them.






Your server must lack alot of WS competition with prices that high, I sold two krayt carbines today(e11 and dh17) totalling 1.2 million.I sell geo pistols for between 350-500k and I think that is the norm on the server.I think you either need to hunt around or maybe your server is just very pricey.





You are right on the money with your geo prices Trean. That is around our standard on Kettemoor.
Dynastar
Thu May 27, 2004 2:20 pm
#34



Mystic_Squirrel wrote:


Dynastar wrote:
Polearm drops from Nightsisters need a serious nerf, for the sake of Weaponsmiths and Pikemen.

Whats the point of making Long Vibro Axes, despite being maybe the best on the server... you can get a much better looted one in short order?


Are you an idiot? Without these NS drops pikeman would simply be unable to do ANYTHING. The WS made pikes are sacks of **edit**. They have terrible damage, speed and accuracy. There are no enhancements for them so no way to get better.

I still get thrashed in PvP with my 920 dmg LVA, so if I had to use some 380 dmg one made by a whiney WS There wouldn't be any point at all playing the class. Until the devs allow pikes to be made that are not terrible you need to lay off the nightsister bitching.





You want Pikeman fixed? It won't ever happen while NS loot drops are that high. Don't be ignorant.



Ramsey Logan
By Federal Law, Riflemen do it with 16 inches or more!
Master Pikeman
Mystic_Squirrel
Thu May 27, 2004 2:32 pm
#35






Dynastar wrote:





Mystic_Squirrel wrote:





Dynastar wrote:
Polearm drops from Nightsisters need a serious nerf, for the sake of Weaponsmiths and Pikemen.

Whats the point of making Long Vibro Axes, despite being maybe the best on the server... you can get a much better looted one in short order?






Are you an idiot? Without these NS drops pikeman would simply be unable to do ANYTHING. The WS made pikes are sacks of **edit**. They have terrible damage, speed and accuracy. There are no enhancements for them so no way to get better.


I still get thrashed in PvP with my 920 dmg LVA, so if I had to use some 380 dmg one made by a whiney WS There wouldn't be any point at all playing the class. Until the devs allow pikes to be made that are not terrible you need to lay off the nightsister bitching.







You want Pikeman fixed? It won't ever happen while NS loot drops are that high. Don't be ignorant.





Pikemen will never be fixed until they do somthing about our weapons and nerfing the only decent weapons we can get is not the answer. The devs can not nerf Nightsister loot UNTIL they make crafted polearms not worthless or they will deliver an irreperable blow to pikemen. So go **edit** at the devs to improve player crafted VLs and LVAs, until that happens I'll enjoy my nightsister loot thank you very much. Call me crazy, but sometimes I just like doing more then 50 dmg to a player wearing full comp in PvP.



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Bounty Fish Extraordinaire
Althia - HAKD
Dark Jedi Knight
Dynastar
Thu May 27, 2004 3:01 pm
#36



Mystic_Squirrel wrote:


Dynastar wrote:


Mystic_Squirrel wrote:


Dynastar wrote:
Polearm drops from Nightsisters need a serious nerf, for the sake of Weaponsmiths and Pikemen.

Whats the point of making Long Vibro Axes, despite being maybe the best on the server... you can get a much better looted one in short order?


Are you an idiot? Without these NS drops pikeman would simply be unable to do ANYTHING. The WS made pikes are sacks of **edit**. They have terrible damage, speed and accuracy. There are no enhancements for them so no way to get better.

I still get thrashed in PvP with my 920 dmg LVA, so if I had to use some 380 dmg one made by a whiney WS There wouldn't be any point at all playing the class. Until the devs allow pikes to be made that are not terrible you need to lay off the nightsister bitching.





You want Pikeman fixed? It won't ever happen while NS loot drops are that high. Don't be ignorant.


Pikemen will never be fixed until they do somthing about our weapons and nerfing the only decent weapons we can get is not the answer. The devs can not nerf Nightsister loot UNTIL they make crafted polearms not worthless or they will deliver an irreperable blow to pikemen. So go **edit** at the devs to improve player crafted VLs and LVAs, until that happens I'll enjoy my nightsister loot thank you very much. Call me crazy, but sometimes I just like doing more then 50 dmg to a player wearing full comp in PvP.



The weapons aren't the problem, not anymore atleast. There's a world of difference in using a LVA with -55 accuracy, compared to -25 now. The problem is the Pikeman profession. Targetting the action pool is useless and with polearmhit3 having an automatic posture change, it negates the only other advantage a Pikeman has, knockdowns. So, we target a useless pool and we can't use our best hit under ideal circumstances. Can't forget our defenses either, or lack thereof. 27 toughness and a TKM gets 57? FFS.

Now, the only way to have anything resembling success is to have a very high damage polearm, or DoT polearms. With the current DoT-hate going on, and general ease to obtain a looted weapon, do you think people take the Pikemen community serious when they say they need help?

You think being a Pikeman would be tough without your looted weapons now? Christ. You have it easy now.



Ramsey Logan
By Federal Law, Riflemen do it with 16 inches or more!
Master Pikeman
KraytDragonMan
Thu May 27, 2004 3:05 pm
#37

Umm man do you know how rare those good loots are? Including the pikes, Ive killed countless Nightsisters and have only looted crappy Lances. When only 5-10 people on the server have those legendary weapons how is that screwing Weaponsmith over? Thats right its not!
RandomSHO
Thu May 27, 2004 9:45 pm
#38

I have been playing since week 1. I have seen maybe 10 legendary weapons on ahazi in all that time. that in my eyes makes them rare. you want to kmow what is killing your buisness? its not rare loot drops, its pre-nerf weapons.


why in the world would I go to a weaponsmith to buy a 110-170 scatter, when I have 15 unsliced pre-nerf krayted scatters hanging on my wall. when I finally break one, I grab another and keep going. when someone asks me the stats on my scatters, they are amazed. then go looking for one from a weaponsmith. the WS tells them they cant get anywere near that under the current system. that person is depressed. same goes for a lot of the other guns out there.


also add into mix the fact that weapon repair is causing less and less failures. so guns are lasting a lot longer.


Lastly, have you looked at the vendor lists on your server? theres 20-30 WS per planet. and the vast majority of them are within 10 damage points of each other on normal weapons. why travel halfway across the galaxy for a weapon with 5 more damage when the guy next door sells the same thing.


so I wouldnt blame uber loot on a declining buisness. I would blame oversaturation of WS's, less failures in repair and the abundance of pre-nerf weapons. its not just one facotr, but many.


oh, and uber loot is not going to bring the WS buisness to its knees. it just lets a few lucky people have amazing weapons for a short time.
Intelerebel
Fri May 28, 2004 6:44 am
#39

I concur with RandomSHO



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