Weaponsmith Archive

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Metai wrote:
Only 10% of the speed of the stock will apply to the final item, so shift the decimal left one place and that's the difference the stock will make during the final build.

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thanks for the tip, this is what I figured. After I made a couple ALR's I paid attention to the speed and it didn't seem to convert directly. So the pre CU stocks aren't as much of a perk as I previously thought.

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Metai wrote:
And as far as those rewards for the 30 other profs, here's just a few..

Pre-CU Jedi sabers are far superior to Post-CU sabers.
Pre-CU Armorsmith Enhancers (Scales, etc.) all converted to be far superior to Post-CU enhancers.
Pre-CU Ubese shirts/Mabari Belts have sockets, Post ones don't.
Pre-CU slicing components (WUKs & AUKs) can be converted to the new looted ones.

I'm sure there's more, but it's not as though everyone other than weaponsmiths lost it all in the CU.

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the no condition clothing was nerfed before the CU. And they were nerfed again for jedi recently. The WUKs and AUKs weren't a reward, that was a conversion. They are no more useful than the old components were.Especially since there is a low chance of converting any of them better than a first tier tool.

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Alristico wrote:

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GrooperNugent wrote:

Post CU stocks can get to -25

Pre-CU stocks (at least mine) are -20 sac, 0.0 speed

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so post CU can be made better?

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nm, i didn't know speed is added and not subtracted.

I just tried making them, best I could make were spd .747, attack cost -21. So pre CU ones would have around the same attack cost but 0 spd that seems like a huge difference. I used the best resources on the server and i had a double amazing.

it just seems like a huge advantage to have 85% and 100% experimentation when the best I can do with the best resources and all the fixings is 86% and 70% experimentation (efficiency and speed)

BH looted stocks and imp themepark stocks are only good for pure commandos who dont use any specials.

I was still in the resource gathering mode when the CU hit...i have one crate of pre-CU stocks

so i have to settle for Post-CU crafted stocks...and wait till the other smiths on my server run out of there pre-CU stocks to really compete.

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Alristico wrote:

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Metai wrote:
Only 10% of the speed of the stock will apply to the final item, so shift the decimal left one place and that's the difference the stock will make during the final build.

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thanks for the tip, this is what I figured. After I made a couple ALR's I paid attention to the speed and it didn't seem to convert directly. So the pre CU stocks aren't as much of a perk as I previously thought.

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Metai wrote:
And as far as those rewards for the 30 other profs, here's just a few..

Pre-CU Jedi sabers are far superior to Post-CU sabers.
Pre-CU Armorsmith Enhancers (Scales, etc.) all converted to be far superior to Post-CU enhancers.
Pre-CU Ubese shirts/Mabari Belts have sockets, Post ones don't.
Pre-CU slicing components (WUKs & AUKs) can be converted to the new looted ones.

I'm sure there's more, but it's not as though everyone other than weaponsmiths lost it all in the CU.

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the no condition clothing was nerfed before the CU. And they were nerfed again for jedi recently. The WUKs and AUKs weren't a reward, that was a conversion. They are no more useful than the old components were.Especially since there is a low chance of converting any of them better than a first tier tool.

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Rico4 wrote:

The stocks werent a reward either mate they were also converted. And as for your AUKs/WUKs, i have about 200 crates of these left and i can tell you they are worth alot. The WUKs arent too useful as triggers/booster drop frewquently from BH missions now, but have you heard of shock absorbant padding dropping in stack upon stack? People are always looking for these and paying quite abit- i got 25 from just a few 'salvages' and the AUKs convert to high tier tools in about 1 in 3.

Hey "mate", if the stocks aren't a reward then why would they be such an advantage? If you don't wanna call them a reward then hows perk, or bonus or advantage. You can choose. And thanks for your theory that 1/6 of all the WUK and AUK together are actually worth something. Though my salvage rate was a bit less than 1 in 3 for higher tier tools with auks. But evenif it is 1 in 3 theres a big difference between a set of supplies that convert to be 1/6th worth something, and another set where every single component is saved for only the best assemblies,many of theweps being used with will probably be adked. lol I'd take a pre CU stock over a shock absorbant padding any day. Hell I can still loot smug supplies, and knowing the devs they will make even the rare ones common soon enough, like they did with the ones that drop from bh missions.

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Summerflame wrote:

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GrooperNugent wrote:

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Alristico wrote:
it just seems like a huge advantage to have 85% and 100% experimentation when the best I can do with the best resources and all the fixings is 86% and 70% experimentation (efficiency and speed)

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Yeah, it is an advantage. But I only have 10 or so crates of those that I save for special orders. Contrast those 10 crates vs. the (litterally) 100's of crates of components that turned to trash during the CU that had to be replaced, then the replacements becameobsolete 3 weeks later when they re-figured the crafting system. I've burned2 resource kits to replace all those components since the CU. I may have the stocks, but I'd trade them to have all those trashed components back.

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Not to mention the huge stashes of unusable pre CU Krayt Tissues, Gorax Shards, Pastes and geocubes, scythe schematics, APBH with tissues that all converted with lousy stats even if very nice tissues were used. Millions upon millions worth of Enhanced and Unenhanced weaponry that turned out mediocre. All in all I lost more than 100mill worth of stuff with the CU (and Im still finding more that is unusable every day, so I havent added it all up yet).

I was one of the people asking for a fix on the stocks when they added +40 min and max damage aswell, as that would've truly been unbalancing, but the small speed boost you get from the pre cu stock now I believe is a fair reward for veteran smiths that stuck through the CU

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QFE

I lost a fortune

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Alristico wrote:

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Rico4 wrote:

The stocks werent a reward either mate they were also converted. And as for your AUKs/WUKs, i have about 200 crates of these left and i can tell you they are worth alot. The WUKs arent too useful as triggers/booster drop frewquently from BH missions now, but have you heard of shock absorbant padding dropping in stack upon stack? People are always looking for these and paying quite abit- i got 25 from just a few 'salvages' and the AUKs convert to high tier tools in about 1 in 3.

Hey "mate", if the stocks aren't a reward then why would they be such an advantage? If you don't wanna call them a reward then hows perk, or bonus or advantage. You can choose. And thanks for your theory that 1/6 of all the WUK and AUK together are actually worth something. Though my salvage rate was a bit less than 1 in 3 for higher tier tools with auks. But evenif it is 1 in 3 theres a big difference between a set of supplies that convert to be 1/6th worth something, and another set where every single component is saved for only the best assemblies,many of theweps being used with will probably be adked. lol I'd take a pre CU stock over a shock absorbant padding any day. Hell I can still loot smug supplies, and knowing the devs they will make even the rare ones common soon enough, like they did with the ones that drop from bh missions.

Idont really call them an advantage because you can make weapons just as good with crafted ones now, for a slight speed penalty you can have an extra 4-5 sac reduction over the pre CU ones. seen as most weapons that these outrageously unfair stocks are put into will be damage and sac capped this only leaves the speed to be sliced (or critical but id say speed is more common). So after craft, slice and skill mods on top i dont think that 0.1 speed is gonna matter too much to the person buying it. And they wont last forever anyway, come to think of im down to the last few crates of my: -20Sac, Wound 10,Speed0.0 Stocks

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Rico4 wrote:

these outrageously unfair stocks

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Alristico wrote:

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Metai wrote:
Only 10% of the speed of the stock will apply to the final item, so shift the decimal left one place and that's the difference the stock will make during the final build.

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thanks for the tip, this is what I figured. After I made a couple ALR's I paid attention to the speed and it didn't seem to convert directly. So the pre CU stocks aren't as much of a perk as I previously thought.

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Rico4 wrote:

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Alristico wrote:

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Rico4 wrote:

The stocks werent a reward either mate they were also converted. And as for your AUKs/WUKs, i have about 200 crates of these left and i can tell you they are worth alot. The WUKs arent too useful as triggers/booster drop frewquently from BH missions now, but have you heard of shock absorbant padding dropping in stack upon stack? People are always looking for these and paying quite abit- i got 25 from just a few 'salvages' and the AUKs convert to high tier tools in about 1 in 3.

Hey "mate", if the stocks aren't a reward then why would they be such an advantage? If you don't wanna call them a reward then hows perk, or bonus or advantage. You can choose. And thanks for your theory that 1/6 of all the WUK and AUK together are actually worth something. Though my salvage rate was a bit less than 1 in 3 for higher tier tools with auks. But evenif it is 1 in 3 theres a big difference between a set of supplies that convert to be 1/6th worth something, and another set where every single component is saved for only the best assemblies,many of theweps being used with will probably be adked. lol I'd take a pre CU stock over a shock absorbant padding any day. Hell I can still loot smug supplies, and knowing the devs they will make even the rare ones common soon enough, like they did with the ones that drop from bh missions.

Idont really call them an advantage because you can make weapons just as good with crafted ones now, for a slight speed penalty you can have an extra 4-5 sac reduction over the pre CU ones. seen as most weapons that these outrageously unfair stocks are put into will be damage and sac capped this only leaves the speed to be sliced (or critical but id say speed is more common). So after craft, slice and skill mods on top i dont think that 0.1 speed is gonna matter too much to the person buying it. And they wont last forever anyway, come to think of im down to the last few crates of my: -20Sac, Wound 10,Speed0.0 Stocks

more and more of these weapons are getting crit slices because the word is getting out about a game mechanic spd cap, which seems to be 1.3 mod spd. A double master with an ALR that has a pre CU stock can get very close to this which is a very desirable outcome. Spd slices are a waste on these double capped weps.

also, don't underestimate the ability of the consumer to nitpick between two weps with only a bit of difference in speed. Sometimes they will pay millions more for the one thats just a bit faster.

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