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Thread: Publish 13.0 Weaponsmith Issues

Asir_SWG
Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:54 am
#14


I have tested the deed regeneration when you destroy the weapon on the live server, and the deed DID come back!



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Summerflame
Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:49 am
#15






SeaRaptor wrote:





Asir_SWG wrote:


I have tested the deed regeneration when you destroy the weapon on the live server, and the deed DID come back!



See, THIS is what I have issues with about the anti-decay kit. It should be a one use thing, not "I can use it on whatever I'm grinding at the moment". That's pretty flipping silly. I was always under the impression that you'd use it ONCE on ONE item and that was it. You're done. Being able to swap it between items in this fashion is not what I thought we were getting.


I'm going to go through channels to raise this issue, because it's ludicrous that you can do this, IMHO. I didn't think this was going to be a big deal, but now I'm not convinced.


I'll see if I can't get some info for you and permission to pass it along. Not happy at the moment. >=[








yay Felton very nice to hear. Thou please think about the consequenses this can have even thou its only applicable to one weapon. Theres no knowing how many weeks/months/years untill CU hits and untill then at least the kit is gamebreaking (thou I still think it will be after to, but thats more guesswork from my side).


This kit doesnt seem thourght thru. Dont let them ruin our profession, dont let us be the next Droid Engineers and dont let us degrade into powerupcreating monkeys, I play Weaponssmith to log into vendor sale completed mails, to costume oder crafting for excited people who needs their old weapons replaced. I dont play to only make a few weapons a week cause only the highest of high will sell. Yes new players needs weapons to, no not everyone has a kit, but theres a LOT of return business that will dissappear with this kit. with or without it being retrievable!


Nice to see you going into action thou Best of luck I hope you get them to understand.




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DawinGamond
Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:22 am
#16






Strongbow wrote:

And we have no schematic for Rantok swords.




Huh? Did I miss something? When have we EVER had a schematic for a Rantok? Or am I being a complete dumba$$ here and not realizing that this was meant as an attempt at humor?



One thing I kind of have issue with (although I definitely saw it coming) is the silent nerf of the crafting station storage issue. I have used this "trick" only sparingly myself and have resorted to storing most of my stuff on a vendor, however it would have been nice to have known beforehand that this fix was coming in patch 13.


Personally, I'm not sold on the whole anti-decay kit=evil debate. As a WS, sure I may sell only one Uber (*shudders at using that word*) Acklay Stun Baton of Death to a player. But you know what? I've made my million+ credits off him and now I move on to the next person asking me for that Krayt Enhanced Vibroknuckler (yah, it's happened to me too).


As a combatant, I don't look forward to going up against those legendary non-decaying T21's or PH's, but they're probably pretty few and far between.


The one place that I think this WILL affect WS's is in the loot hunters and prices of that loot.Let's say character"Noob Killer" gets his exceptional PH anti-decayed and goes out to these new krayt spawns and starts hacking away and just loads up on the krayt tissue and pearls. Well, guess what, the market is going to get flooded with tissue and pretty soon, the price we pay for tissue should start coming down and summarily the price we can charge without getting laughed at for a krayt enhanced weapon is going to be coming down too. Will the market become so flooded with krayt tissue that only new players will be using non-krayt enhanced weaponry? Will customers come to expect krayt enhancement in just about every ranged weapon? I know, I know CURB....chant with me....CURB will fix everything.


Just a couple thoughts I had as the coffee started to hit my brain this morning.


Here's hoping the servers come online soon, see you all in game.

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stanleycat
Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:37 am
#17

Felton - please please raise the issue of decay kits as the highest priority. The grinding with decay kit issue is devastating. Whats the point of our profession now.


I think we had held it together pretty well, being innovative and creative providers of weapons - thats why i became a weaponsmith. I certainly dont want to become an architect - the challenge is draining away....


The big boys are buying up loads of these kits already - saving them for the combat upgrade no doubt when they can have a single set of all the weapons they need and wont buy another.


I dont want to make bogstandard low level weapons for new players - i want to make interesting, challenging weapons with nice loot parts for discerning customers, who are delighted with my final product, use it and come back for plenty more - it builds relationships too. The decay kits will terminate these long-standing relationships and we will sell anonymously.


Other parts of the patch were great - eg storage - but this item has made me very sad





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BruSwillis
Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:56 am
#18

Keep complaining, people are going to need a stack of no decay kits to load all these babies up...



Look at the bigger picture, this will all be forgotten in a few months, no decay kit will have very little effect.




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kiell_amor
Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:59 am
#19


The fact that you can re-deed the anti-decay kit may not be as bad as it sounds if you think about how it'll likelybe used - if someone uses it on a grind weapon it will come off once they get to a cert for a great weapon, as itthengoes on that. However now to move it to another grind weapon they have to destroy their 2000-max damage T-21 super-weapon..... bye bye millions ofcredits.


I wouldn't have thought there are that many people prepared tolose thatjust to grind something else - they're more likely to sell their current super-weapon on and buy a new anti-decayed super-weapon in their next chosen profession, ormaybe swap of super-weapons with someone else.


What I see this meaning is that SOE have brought in a new tier of weapon,the "super-legendary" weapon (and maybe even armor after CU) which will only be bought and sold on trade forums and changing hands for tens of millions of credits...... will we see a 100-mill T-21 this year I wonder???


Unfortunately these new weapons have nothing to do with weaponsmiths, but hey - at least it keeps the rich busy!



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Asir_SWG
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:12 am
#20






kiell_amor wrote:


will we see a 100-mill T-21 this year I wonder???





Someone on Farstar was offered 300 mil for there exceptional T21 and turned the offer down, why sell when it's the only weapon he will ever need again.



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BruSwillis
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:21 am
#21






Asir_SWG wrote:

Someone on Farstar was offered 300 mil for there exceptional T21 and turned the offer down, why sell when it's the only weapon he will ever need again.




That player, i bet my life on it will still buy weapons. Especially after the CU.
And he will never take his NDK off that rifle, so there's one person who wont be swapping and changing his NDK from weapon to weapon.





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ShugFlurry
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:54 am
#22



BruSwillis wrote:


Asir_SWG wrote:
Someone on Farstar was offered 300 mil for there exceptional T21 and turned the offer down, why sell when it's the only weapon he will ever need again.


That player, i bet my life on it will still buy weapons. Especially after the CU.
And he will never take his NDK off that rifle, so there's one person who wont be swapping and changing his NDK from weapon to weapon.





I have 5 now, whats to stop me from NDK'ing my 5 weapons? As a swordsman until the CU I really only need 1 hammer and possibly a scythe. Thats that /cheer SOE, you thought Nyax was camped? Check again, people will be pulling out their 2k+ T21s and stuff just to kill a womp rat.



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Strongbow
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:59 am
#23






DawinGamond wrote:






Strongbow wrote:

And we have no schematic for Rantok swords.




Huh? Did I miss something? When have we EVER had a schematic for a Rantok? Or am I being a complete dumba$$ here and not realizing that this was meant as an attempt at humor?




No, no humor attempted, but perhaps I could have been more clear in my post.


No we never have had it, but this is not listed in our WS Issues thread; though I did add a post to that thread about it. I get 4 or 5 requests a week from folks wanting me to stock my vendor with these. I can not get them to understand that Weaponsmiths do not have the schematic for a Tier 4 Brawler weapon. It makes no sense to have aTier 4 cert for a weapon that can only be obtained as a quest item and you cannot keep if you want to complete the Jabba Themepark. Granted, that loot item is a particularly crappy sword but I have to wonder what it would look like if a MWS with nice resources could do with the schematic.


On the anti-decay item, I am not concerned in the slightest, except in the following case. From some reports, it appears to negate the number of charges a DOT weapon has...effectively making the weapon infinite use (didn't we just leave this party?).If true, this will hurt sales of Enhanced E-11's or Modified Republics. Primarily though, folks will be placing these items on Legendary loot items...we probably were not selling much to those guys to begin with; they are off in an economy of their own.


I am also a Master Rifleman. Sure I would place this on a sweet T-21 (if I ever come across one), but that is not the only weapon I use. I use my Krayted Disruptor quitea bit (on Dath and Dant primarily) and I use my trusty Laser Rifle (which has better damage) most of the time; heck I still use an SG-82 in a few situations. I can only choose one item to protect in this manner, so I am still in the market for the others (luckily I know a good MWS <G>.


If anything, as a tradeoff, I would like to see weapons upgraded with this module to be unable to take Powerups. At least then you have to make a choice...permanent decay protection or 33% damage increase. Could be a touch choice, depending on which profession you are and where you are in the skill tree.


Most likely, however, I will use this device to protect my +25 WS Experimentation shirt (when I finally manage to get one), so that will tick off the Tailors :-)





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ShugFlurry
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:00 am
#24

Oh and I'm not sure about other trade forums but Flurry is chock full wiith buying UBER PH/LVA, people have realised that they will have a unlimited use 1200+ LVA or 900+ PH.



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BruSwillis
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:10 am
#25






ShugFlurry wrote:


I have 5 now, whats to stop me from NDK'ing my 5 weapons? As a swordsman until the CU I really only need 1 hammer and possibly a scythe. Thats that /cheer SOE, you thought Nyax was camped? Check again, people will be pulling out their 2k+ T21s and stuff just to kill a womp rat.



You have 5 which means 4 accounts in game dont have one. I know many people who have sold their NDK and I also know many who didnt take the NDK as rewards and of cause there's many people who dont even qualify.





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ShugFlurry
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:13 am
#26



BruSwillis wrote:


ShugFlurry wrote:


I have 5 now, whats to stop me from NDK'ing my 5 weapons? As a swordsman until the CU I really only need 1 hammer and possibly a scythe. Thats that /cheer SOE, you thought Nyax was camped? Check again, people will be pulling out their 2k+ T21s and stuff just to kill a womp rat.

You have 5 which means 4 accounts in game dont have one. I know many people who have sold their NDK and I also know many who didnt take the NDK as rewards and of cause there's many people who dont even qualify.





I'm not worried about the people not coming back, honestly I bought maybe 2 Republic blasters in 1 month of being a master pistoleer/bh 0040.

I'm worried about people with 4k T21s.



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