Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: SeaRaptor, are you fighting this?
P__Day
Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:41 pm
#14
If you look at it like this i belive the system should work in a way that says you need a certain amount of skillpoints in corresponding skills. A MASTER pistoleer for instace should be able to use any pistol. same goes for a master rifleman and rifles and so on. The problem begins if someone can use an elite weapon to level if they have a totally different elite proffession. For instace a m.rifleman using a vibro lance to grind with.
sabacc1000
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:12 pm
#15
I'm not certain what level certs have to do with the problem either, but here they are:
Pistols
CDEF - 1
D18 - 6
DL44 - 7
Scout - 10
DL 44 Metal - 12
Scatter - 14
Striker - 14
Launcher - 14
Jawa Ion - 22
Tangle - 30
Geonosian Sonic Blaster - 30
SR Combat - 40
Power5 - 40
Flare - 40
Death-Hammer - 40
Flechette - 50
DX2 - 54
Republic Blaster - 54
FWG5 Pistol - 54
DL44 XT - 54
High Capacity Scatter - 54
Intimidator - 54
Renegade - 54
DE-10 - 54
D18 - 6
DL44 - 7
Scout - 10
DL 44 Metal - 12
Scatter - 14
Striker - 14
Launcher - 14
Jawa Ion - 22
Tangle - 30
Geonosian Sonic Blaster - 30
SR Combat - 40
Power5 - 40
Flare - 40
Death-Hammer - 40
Flechette - 50
DX2 - 54
Republic Blaster - 54
FWG5 Pistol - 54
DL44 XT - 54
High Capacity Scatter - 54
Intimidator - 54
Renegade - 54
DE-10 - 54
Carbines
CDEF - 1
DH17 - 6
DH17 Short - 7
E11 - 10
EE3 - 14
Laser - 22
Geonosian - 30
Alliance Needler - 30
Bothan Bola - 40
DXR6 - 40
Nym's Slugthrower - 50
Czerka Dart - 50
Proton - 54
E11 Mark2 - 54
Elite - 54
E5 - 54
Rifles
CDEF - 1
Light Bowcaster - 1
DLT20 - 6
DLT20a - 7
SG82 - 10
Recon Bowcaster - 10
Spraystick - 14
Lightning Rifle - 14
E11 - 22
Beam- 30
Massassi Ink - 30
Tusken - 40
DXR-6b - 40
Beserker - 40
Light Laser Rifle - 40
Jawa Ion - 50
Explosive Shell Sniper - 50
LD-1 - 50
Proton - 54
T21 - 54
Adv Laser - 54
Assault Bowcaster - 54
Unarmed
Vibroknuckler - 14
Massassi knuckler - 14
Blaster Fist - 40
Razor knuckler - 54
Polearms
Wood Staff - 1
Reinforced Combat Staff - 6
Metal Staff - 7
Lance - 14
Kaminoan Great Staff - 22
Shock Lance - 30
NS Lance - 30
Cryo Lance - 30
Long Vibro Axe - 40
Electric Polearm - 40
Kashyyk Bladestick - 50
Vibrolance - 54
NS Energy Lance - 54
Massassi Lance - 54
1Handed
Survival Knife - 1
Stone / Janta / Donkuwah Knife - 1
Dagger - 1
Sword - 6
Vibroblade - 10
Gaffi Stick - 14
1H Curved Sword - 14
Rantok - 22
Junta Mace - 30
Marauder - 30
Curved Nyax - 40
Massassi - 50
Stun Baton - 54
Acid Sword - 54
Ryyk - (-1)
RSF - (-1)
2Handed
Heavy Axe - 1
2H Axe - 6
2H Cleaver - 10
2H Curved Sword - 12
Kashyyk Sword - 22
Nyax Sword - 22
Vibro Axe - 30
Executioner's Hack - 30
Sith Sword - 50
Scythe - 50
Power Hammer - 54
TheBobulus
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:31 pm
#16
SeaRaptor wrote:Does anyone actually have data on how these new CL requirements are laid out? It's hard for me to fight something when I've no clue what I'm talking about outside of reading Helios' post (like the rest of you).
I logged in to the test server and looked at all the certification CL for all the carbines. Here's what I got:
CDEF - 1
DH17 - 6
DH17 Short - 7
E11 - 10
EE3 - 14
Laser - 22
Alliance - 30
Geonosian - 30
DXR6 - 40
Bothan Bola- 40
Nym's Slug - 50
Czerka Dart- 50
Elite - 54
E11 Mk2 - 54
E5 - 54
Proton - 54
So all the carbines can be used by a some with one master elite (That's exactly CL54, right?). I'm told that iconic weapons will also get a skill box certification added to them, but that that hasn't been added to the test-server yet.
KRONOS1974
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:16 pm
#17
If this is the case our sales will drop, we will be like architects making 1 sale a week/month. This change sucks!! I hope it doesnt go through, id quit crafting all together.
Munitionsmaster
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:24 pm
#18
I also am very concerned about this development. I hope the devs adress this issues before this goes live. One thing they can never really test on TC is the economy and that is the life blood of the crafting professions. Having so many weapons universialy usiable would severly reduce the demand for weapons and for weaponsmiths.
JeCy
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:57 pm
#19
/sigh its all changing.. just be happy they didnt completly revamp your schems and resources.. soo suddenly you need 10 new things.. and 10 are obsolete
Mor-Dan
Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:15 am
#20
This new level weapon certification is for sh!t, man! Our profession has already been hurt by uber loot drops, ADKs, this new DPS system, and now we have to be even further hurt by a combat level weapons certification? this is BS man. So now anyone who has a master prof won't need ANY low end weapons to grind a new profession. a person who is rifles and decides to pick up swords won't need a 2h Axe, or even a Heavy Axe for that matter. they will already be certed for the high DPS stuff, meaning weapons the sell slowly now, will almost be "special order" only after this crap! They are taking one big huge dump on all the crafters and we need to do something about it. We are virtually worthless in a system like this. The devaluing of non-combat professions needs to stop. We need our Coorespondents going to bat for us. This new system of certification is wrong and it is going to tear apart the fabric of the community which is the older experienced players who are teaching the new players the ropes. We are being crapped on and the veterans aren't going to take it for much longer...
Blackmoore
Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:51 am
#21
Could someone please go into the "level" aspect of the CU? Thank you. I kind of understand it but not completely.
Earland
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:01 am
#22
Rifleman to pistoleer:
Buys 1 Modified Republic Blaster
Average price 20k.
You made 1 sale for 20k.
Rifleman to pistols 1-4 and novice pistoleer:
Buys 1 dl44, buys 1 scout, buys 1 fwg5, buys 1 dx2.
Average price 25-40k for all 4 weapons
You make 4 sales for 25-40k.
Not to start anything... but I just made an alt because I wanted a smuggler to support my WS and I bought a cdef on the bazaar for 1k, a scout blaster for 3k, and a republic for 10k and mastered smuggler...
Nri Talani
KRONOS1974
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:11 am
#23
You can find great deals on the bazaar. Not every weapon will be that cheap. These are average prices from other WS's and myslef. Not Bazaar specials. I sell my weapons on bazaar real cheap also every so often. But you tell me if you go to a known 12 pt weaponsmith on your server you are going to find weapons that cheap?
Fact is these issues can come up. Im not sure, thus i am not crafting anymore until CU hits live and can see how things will go.
With all the new weapons and changes with speed/damage exp we may see a huge increase in sales and variety of weapons being sold.
But with lack of info coming from dev's and speculation at a high level people have right to be concerned over these issues.
I have 3 other crafting professions i can fall back onto, im not worried much but it might cause a huge problem for some less developed WS's on our servers maybe even for veteran WS's.
I sold a brand new suit of comp on bazaar 80/80/80/80 70 base for 6k a piece when my alt hit jedi. Im sure someone got a nice gift that day 
Earland
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:16 am
#24
The cdef was the only bazaar weapon... the other two were from Troll... a 12 pt. smith that has been one of THE best weaponsmiths on the Naritus server since shortly after release. He has always had low prices... mmmmm stocked T21's for 20k. Those were awesome for grinding up Rifleman. I wanna be just like him when I grow up . So far I am only half the weaponsmith he is lol.
. So far I am only half the weaponsmith he is lol.Nri Talani
Message Edited by Earland on 04-15-2005 03:18 AM
_Monroe_
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:22 am
#25
KRONOS1974 wrote:
If this is the case our sales will drop, we will be like architects making 1 sale a week/month. This change sucks!! I hope it doesnt go through, id quit crafting all together.
Another thing that might impact some of you is an apparent hard cap on a weapon's damage. This means a weapon will have a maximum damage output. If a crafted weapon is at that max a smuggler will not be allowed to slice it. If that is true I would think no longer will people be buying 10 of a cerain weapon trying for the perfect slice.
Here's the link where it is being talked about in the smuggler forum.
KRONOS1974
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:25 am
#26
Wish i started out on your server lol.T21 for 20k is a good deal.
I just match other 12pt smiths on my server. Before i opened up shop i went around and gathered up info on stats and price. Matched the weapons stats and picked a price in middle of all of them.Not because i cant sell lower but didnt want to undersell already established smiths. Hate when that happened with arch profession 