Weaponsmith Archive

Thanks for the feedback everyone... I am new to this, so I am hoping to learn as much as I can from the old pro's... thanks again!

I am going to try to make my weapons with a mix of damage and SAC for now, and see if they sell well... and if they don't it's back to DPS for the win! lol.

What's a constant variable?

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Cobacca1 wrote:

Weapon 3: (components experimented for speed, final product for damage)

123-248 damage

2.44 attack speed

75.93 base DPS

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EdOWar wrote:

I think what you proved is that DPSmay beimportant for toons who haven't mastered at least one elite combat profession yet. But for a completed template, DPS is much less important as they will likely have plenty of speed mods. As others have said, there is no longer one best way to make all weapons. It all depends on theplayer using the weapon now, how advanced their toon is and their preferred style of play.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

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I'm not a weaponsmith, but I've been trying to beat into people's heads that DPS is not the all-determining factor. It is ok to look at, and see that a weapon has a good mix of speed and damage...but it ends there.

When I read what you just posted, the way I explain it is that it's due to diminishing returns, which DPS does not take into account. DPS is merely a simple formula of average damage divided by speed. But that does not fit the current combat system.

Take two guns withthe same DPS...

A) Gun with 400-600 dmg at modified speed of 1 = 500 DPS

B) Gun with 800-1200 dmg at modified speed of 2 = 500 DPS

You won't fire gun A twice as fast, even though that's what DPS takes into account. Gun B will outclass A in a fight, even though according to DPS, they will be the same.

yay time to put my 2 cents in......I am a 12pt WS and have been for alooooong time....i was on beta for the CU and have been crafting weapons and trying out every profession as i made them to actually field test them and see what was the best stats.....dps, SAC, speed, acc bonuses? elemental (still broken) and came to the broad conclusion that yes....DPS is great and all but what it all boils down to is if you have a weapon that has 350 dps and over 120 SAC and you have a weapon that has 300 dps with under 80 dps the 350 dps weapon yes will win in overall dmg UNTILL you run out of action and the person with the 300 dps weapon is STILL hammering on you.

I recently made a krayted e11mk2 carbine with a dps of 301 SAC of 77 acc bonus of 13 speed 2.22 with krayt tissues min of around 450 and max of 1040ish......then i made the same carbine using the resources with no stock and no scope but had the dps up to 340 i believe working only on the speed and the dmg output of the weapon and had my BH toon work a jedi in our city......well after about 5 shots my action was wasted on the higher dps weapon (btw this was a test with and w/out foods) and lasted a bit longer with foods helping with the regen.....everyone thinks that you can put outrageous SAC on a weapon and the drugs/foods will make up for it....WRONG....even for a jedi that has 95 SAC and a bloated stomach and poping veins from foods/drugs runs out of action when spaming the power attacks.

Then came the krayted mk2 and guess what? i was able to take down a non defender jedi with a complete temlpate 4/5 times with that bad boy....having the acc bonus built onto the gun then strapping on the +10 ranged cyber arm gave me such an advantage with that gun....ntm i was able to spam my power attacks/roots/snares/states practically non stop and when i threw in some acc food and def food i wasn't even touched by that same jedi that had saber throw, heals, powers..the whole shabang

Everyone can think what they want but what it boils down to is how long can YOU last with your gun...not how much can your gun do overall in a short amount of time like most people believe since the only important stat is DPS.

fact is i can make a pos gun...almost any type...and get the dps to an outrageous amount....but a smart person will want a rounded weapon......low SAC, factoring their modded speed for most weapons to about 1.5 no matter what and dumping the rest into dmg output will make them devistating and is why i'm only crafting custom orders so that i can educate or perfect my crafting for the well informed killer

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SlaughterMonster wrote:

I recently made a krayted e11mk2 carbine with a dps of 301 SAC of 77 acc bonus of 13 speed 2.22 with krayt tissues min of around 450 and max of 1040ish

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Oh man... awesome job, that'sexactly what I'm looking for. What kind of tissues went into it?

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EdOWar wrote:

I think what you proved is that DPSmay beimportant for toons who haven't mastered at least one elite combat profession yet. But for a completed template, DPS is much less important as they will likely have plenty of speed mods. As others have said, there is no longer one best way to make all weapons. It all depends on theplayer using the weapon now, how advanced their toon is and their preferred style of play.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

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I'm not a weaponsmith, but I've been trying to beat into people's heads that DPS is not the all-determining factor. It is ok to look at, and see that a weapon has a good mix of speed and damage...but it ends there.

When I read what you just posted, the way I explain it is that it's due to diminishing returns, which DPS does not take into account. DPS is merely a simple formula of average damage divided by speed. But that does not fit the current combat system.

Take two guns withthe same DPS...

A) Gun with 400-600 dmg at modified speed of 1 = 500 DPS

B) Gun with 800-1200 dmg at modified speed of 2 = 500 DPS

You won't fire gun A twice as fast, even though that's what DPS takes into account. Gun B will outclass A in a fight, even though according to DPS, they will be the same.

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I've noticed the diminishing returns in speed in my crafting. I've made high DPS weapons and then low SAC variants of the same weapons (with correspondingly lower DPS). The high DPS sub-components had speeds of -1.9X, while the low SAC sub-components had speeds of -1.2X. For barrel and power-handler combined the difference was -1.4 speed, but in the final combine, the speed difference between themwas only 0.18. But there were no diminishing returns when experimenting in SAC (108 SAC vs. 87 SAC). So WS who make only high DPS weapons are in effect squandering a lot of their experimentation points in speed on the sub-components.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

I think that the speacils with damage modifers like advanced critical shot rely on max damage not DPS.

Plasma Flame thrower

1106 max damage

296 EDS

moded 482

Often hits for 12k on a level 80 mob

FWG

900 max damage

313 EDS

Moded 490

Hits for only 900 max on comparable mob

Allow me to throw in my two cents here...

My main character is a MBH/MPistol/SL0400.

I was using a DE-10 that was probably close to a server best pre-CU.

It converted to close to 1k damage, but only has a DPS of 305 un-modded, and mine is around 490.

I recently bought a moddified republic blaster that has a base DPS of 373, and my DPS is is around 625.

The damage on the Republic is around 850.

I only PvP, no mobs to test it on, only Jedi.

In the near two weeks I have had it, I can tell a HUGE difference in the time it takes me to kill a target. Before I switched guns, I had killed around 10 Jedi. Since, I have killed 6 or 7. But the time frame I am doing it in is muge faster now. I'm getting near identical power hits using Torso and Critical shot from each weapon, with a top of around 900 with the DE-10, and a top of around 850 with the Republic. But it's the NON-special shots that make the difference. I recently went after a Jedi that I hit approximatly 15 time in less than 30 seconds. So I'm looking at a base attack damage of 350 a second from the republic versus 300 a second on the DE-10. And that is where the DPS comes into effect. For those that simply spam specials and wait between cool-downs, you would want a higher damage weapon. However, in PvP, by doing special, regular, regular, regular, special, regular, regular, regular, etc DPS is the better of the two mods to have. I'm sure this would probably hold true in PvE as well, but that is something I have not personally tested.