Weaponsmith Archive

Thread: Gernade prices

kettmalice
Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:24 am
#14






Ybagi wrote:





Klum wrote:

OMG u charge 50k for a crate considering how easy they are to make. should be no higher than 20k a crate IMO







LOL


Thanks for adding to the discussion.


Do you have anything to back up your oppinion?


I think I clearly demonstrated that 40k is a fair price and 50k is not out of the ballpark in any stretch of the imagination.


20k would clearly be a waste of the weaponsmith's time.





What is teh deal with everyone saying this time stuff, it takes no time up...your not hand making stuff. The 1 hour it took to get 10 factories started isnt worth the 8-10 mill you will make off of it? You do a lot swap for 10 factories and have them constantly running making c12's. It costs you 1 mill to make 10k grenades. You make 10-15 mill off of those 10k grenades it took you 4 days to make in the factory. What are you talking about???




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Brilyn
Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:15 pm
#15

< 30cpu on a heavy harvestor is 833K.

The majority of those resources do not have a quality component to them though >


Really? So what....


I mean:


The Architectsuse 30cpu as the lowestthey would accept becausethey were selling powerups at the time as fast asthey could make them at 30cpu, investing more skill points and collecting more resources should yield a better return.


So, on the basis that a good chunk of the Architects wares are quality-independant, let's knock that Heavy Harv down from a pricey 50cpu, toa reasonable 30cpu.



And I'm judging by your excuse that the answer is "no, I won't pay 30cpu for a Heavy Harvester".



Aren't double-standards fun!!!!




If you wouldn't pay it, don't charge it. Otherwise you're not under-rated, you're a rip-off merchant.



Significantly more than 1k for something that does 800 damage ***5*** times is ripping people off.



And "time spent storing the resources" is a joke. Yes, really it is.



Brilyn
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Ybagi
Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:34 pm
#16






Brilyn wrote:

< 30cpu on a heavy harvestor is 833K.

The majority of those resources do not have a quality component to them though >


Really? So what....






So what is they are available for harvest 24/7, while good quality weaponsmith resources are few and far between, you have been a smith for awhile now, you should know that.






I mean:


The Architectsuse 30cpu as the lowestthey would accept becausethey were selling powerups at the time as fast asthey could make them at 30cpu, investing more skill points and collecting more resources should yield a better return.


So, on the basis that a good chunk of the Architects wares are quality-independant, let's knock that Heavy Harv down from a pricey 50cpu, toa reasonable 30cpu.





Hello; where did you get 50CPU from?






And I'm judging by your excuse that the answer is "no, I won't pay 30cpu for a Heavy Harvester".



Aren't double-standards fun!!!!




what excuse, I said they are worth more and I never said anywhere that they weren't worth 800k did I maybe you think they aren't, not my problem. Also the reason why myself and many other are not architects.






If you wouldn't pay it, don't charge it. Otherwise you're not under-rated, you're a rip-off merchant.





Thanks alot; whats up with the personal attack?, not that I had any good or bad impressions of you before; now I'm pretty sure you are a huge jackass whether or not you are having a bad day.




Significantly more than 1k for something that does 800 damage ***5*** times is ripping people off.





Have you read any of my posts? I'm charging 1400 per grenade, 35k for a crate, how is 1400 significantly more than 1k?





And "time spent storing the resources" is a joke. Yes, really it is.





seeing now one of the major issues in the game and on the forums repeated over and over in the core systems forum, and even mentioned in a popular thread on this forum regarding wharehouses. Storage and storage limits is agenuine concern;I fail to see how this is a "joke"


You sir are a joke





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EdOWar
Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:41 pm
#17






Brilyn wrote:

< 30cpu on a heavy harvestor is 833K.

The majority of those resources do not have a quality component to them though >


Really? So what....


I mean:


The Architectsuse 30cpu as the lowestthey would accept becausethey were selling powerups at the time as fast asthey could make them at 30cpu, investing more skill points and collecting more resources should yield a better return.


So, on the basis that a good chunk of the Architects wares are quality-independant, let's knock that Heavy Harv down from a pricey 50cpu, toa reasonable 30cpu.



And I'm judging by your excuse that the answer is "no, I won't pay 30cpu for a Heavy Harvester".



Aren't double-standards fun!!!!




If you wouldn't pay it, don't charge it. Otherwise you're not under-rated, you're a rip-off merchant.



Significantly more than 1k for something that does 800 damage ***5*** times is ripping people off.



And "time spent storing the resources" is a joke. Yes, really it is.







The Archs gimped their market long ago. Frankly, no one would pay 30 cpu for a heavy harv, on any server, and it's the Archs fault for underpricing their wares. No reason for us to do the same. Besides, it isn't really about what we'd pay for them. It's about what the customer will pay for them. And if the customer doesn't want to pay your price, there are plenty of other weaponsmiths around.


Right now I'm only charging 25K a crate for C-12s. If they sell too fast, I'll up my price. It's not the quantity of resources so much as the factory time. Sure, I guess I could do a server lot trade and plant a field of factories, but I really don't want to. And that's my problem to deal with.


I say charge what you want for what you make. If someone wants to buy it, they will. If they don't like the price, they can go to one of your competitors or go without. That's the beauty of capitalism.


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RADBlue
Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:23 pm
#18

/agree for any weapon i price by demand, if i drop 15 t21's on for 45k each and they sell in 4 hrs(and most to the same person) then i figure thats way too cheap and i couldnt keep up witht he demand,so i raise prices till i can keep up with demand and the peeps who would normally but all ya got will think twice and maybe just buy 2, leaving the rest for others who need them.

seems to work well for me



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Brilyn
Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:58 pm
#19

< So what is they are available for harvest 24/7, while good quality weaponsmith resources are few and far between, >


I've been an Architect too. Oh no they're not...


While walls and whatnot can be made with crap, most of the critical components need quite high quality resources to hit BER13 and BER14 (on Fusions).


< Hello; where did you get 50CPU from? >


A random number I pulled out of the air, to represent the increase in skill from Master Artisan to Master Architect. I then 'discounted' my 'standard price' to account for the fact that a good % of the materials don't require any quality level.


Sounds fair to me........


< I said they are worth more and I never said anywhere that they weren't worth 800k did I maybe you think they aren't, not my problem. >


I dunno. I thought 30cpu was a fair price. Y'know, considering that I was making 30cpu off powerups when I was an Artisan.


Or does the logic not stretch to cover *your* pocket?


< Have you read any of my posts? I'm charging 1400 per grenade, 35k for a crate, how is 1400 significantly more than 1k? >


I didn't say *you* were charging significantly more. Though, 1400 is 40% more, so yeah, I guess I'd consider that pretty close to 'significanly more'.


< Storage and storage limits is agenuine concern >


Only by people who insist on storing 10x the resources they need.


I carry all my resources with me (roughly 80 or so).


I have a stack to back up all of them. (another 80 or so).


That's 160. 1 house worth, if I dumped it all in a house.



Damn, that's so hard to store.



Anyone who stores more than 100k of (say) Diatium Copper (as a weaponsmith) is a freakin' moron, because they'll *never* need that amount.


Somethings, like Irolunn, sure, store all ya need. I go through that stuff so fast it's not funny.


But people with 4 houses of resources are just *completely* deluded if they think they 'need' to store that amount.



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Ybagi
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:00 am
#20






Brilyn wrote:

< I used 30cpu as the lowest I would accept because I was selling powerups at the time as fast as I could make them at 30cpu, investing more skill points and collecting more resources should yield a better return. >


So....



You're prepared to pay 30cpu on a Heavy Harvester then?







Well that's the architect's problem now isn't it.


Honestly I think that harvestorsshould probably be alot more expensive than they are now, not sure what 30cpu would amount to 300k maybe, the first ones I was buying last year were 250k I think.


If heavyies were appropriately priced, then there would be a market for mediums (other than lot swappers which is BS but also offtopic) and personals harvestors.




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Ybagi
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:11 am
#21






kettmalice wrote:

What is teh deal with everyone saying this time stuff, it takes no time up...your not hand making stuff. The 1 hour it took to get 10 factories started isnt worth the 8-10 mill you will make off of it? You do a lot swap for 10 factories and have them constantly running making c12's. It costs you 1 mill to make 10k grenades. You make 10-15 mill off of those 10k grenades it took you 4 days to make in the factory. What are you talking about???






Everything in this game is time,


the time it took you to collect those resources 3 months ago.


the time spent storing those resources until they were needed.


the time you spent getting your 12points so you could make a better product.


the time you spent getting weaponsmith in the first place(lol maybe I'm reaching a bit here) being a weaponsmith should be worth something.


Most of the reasources I'm using in my grenades sell for 5-8 cpu raw, I'd like to think that the value I add to these resources is worth something.



Anyway, I've always made munitions and I the only price change I've made since this madness started was increasing my C12 from 25K to 35K to bring them more in line with the rest of my products.


I'm not charging 100k for C12 and I'm not condoning that either.



Yv
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kettmalice
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:14 am
#22

Why are you using resources that sell for 5-8 /unit? You can easily find decent resources for 2-3/unit depending on the server but there is no reason to be using expensive resources. I am making 2.7 870 max c12's using 2-3/unit resources.



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Ybagi
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:17 am
#23

30cpu on a heavy harvestor is 833K.


The majority of those resources do not have a quality component to them though.



Yv
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Ybagi
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:21 am
#24






kettmalice wrote:

Why are you using resources that sell for 5-8 /unit? You can easily find decent resources for 2-3/unit depending on the server but there is no reason to be using expensive resources. I am making 2.7 870 max c12's using 2-3/unit resources.






Those were the resources I collected way back when, not sure what the resource market is like on your server, but Lowca is pretty tight.



Yv
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Brilyn
Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:32 am
#25

< It is a pain to craft C12 due to alot of factory time. >


I don't understand this sentiment.


I don't get how factory time = pain.



I mean....


I create a Light Warhead Schem, and a Warhead Fusing Schem.


I put both into a factory.



I come back 24 hours later, and make a C12 Schem.


I put that into a factory.



I come back 24 hours later, and retrieve all my crates of C12s.



What's the problem?



Brilyn
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gblfxt
Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:24 am
#26

i woulndnt charge less than 75k a crate, as the resource count on grenades are insane, anyone charging less is just as crazy.



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