Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Petition for anti decay kits to be one use only
Rince_uk
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:04 am
#14
If you must destroy the weapon to take the decay kit off, then in my books, that is good - In the first place, peeps would only want to stick these on exceptional weapons... in reality, how many would destroy an exeptional weapon to stick it on another - not many I would guess...
My only problem with these now, is that they should be non-transferrable.
Rince_uk
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:34 am
#15
BruSwillis - it is called "an opinion"... we are all entitled to them, even you!
BruSwillis
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:39 am
#16
It's called scaremongery.
Fact: More people will use the kits on their jedi accounts for their sabers which has no effect on WS sales.
Fact: People with legendary weapons will use their NDK on that weapon and will still buy regular weapons.
Fact: after the CU all weapons will be viable and have a use in game.
Fact: New weapons are coming into game after the CU
Fact: 95% of people who have this reward will use it on their best/favourite weapon, very few will use it on grinding weapons.
Fact: This reward will have very little effect on the WS trade.
ana-mo-cara
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:47 am
#17
Fact bru most players have a completed template. So yes they will use it on their favorite weapon and never buy another. I have a krayt llc will I ever need to buy another krayt llc, or a regular llc for that matter no. Fact weaponsmiths rely on return business less return business means lower sales. Fact the CU is not even here yet I doubt that the alpha testing has even started. I think its still in sandbox. Ergo we have to wait months for multifaceted value to show up.
If your a weaponsmith you are required by game law to make credits selling weapons. Sure you can do artisan missions, but if your a weaponsmith your in it to make cool stuff other players buy. When they give you money you use it to mine more stuff to make more stuff.
Its not scaremongering itssimple facts. If buffpacks lasted forever do you think the doctors would be silent? You on the other hand would point out that well they still have stims and rez packs and wound packs. The point is exactly the same. A huge chunk of sales will go out the window.
Summerflame
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:47 am
#18
BruSwillis wrote:
It's called scaremongery.
Fact: More people will use the kits on their jedi accounts for their sabers which has no effect on WS sales. might be, but loads of people have extra account providing them with extra kits..
Fact: People with legendary weapons will use their NDK on that weapon and will still buy regular weapons. why shoudl they buy regular weapons when theyhave a legendary wepon that will never decay...
Fact: after the CU all weapons will be viable and have a use in game. yes perhaps, but noone knows when the CU will hit. If this was guarenteed to make each profession need at least 3 weapons and that the Cu would come tomorrow I dont think the outcry would be as loud
Fact: New weapons are coming into game after the CU Again yeas, but who knows when this is gonna hit. See above.
Fact: 95% of people who have this reward will use it on their best/favourite weapon, very few will use it on grinding weapons. No, but with this kit applied they can use their favourite weapon as grinding weapon, which means they dont have to buy extras...
Fact: This reward will have very little effect on the WS trade.this is not a fact this is your interpretation and might be right, might be wrong.
KaiRan
Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:54 am
#19
1) If it is non re-usable, I will never buy another weapon, simply because I wont want to burn that many creds on something that will decay when I have my less-than-perfect but non decaying weapon, righthere. Ever. No longer looking for higher Krayt for another, no longer looking for a better smith. Thats it. I have my 1 weapon, and I dont care to replace it, because it is imortal.
2)If, on the other hand, I can re-use the item when I eventually find better enhancers or a better smith, I will. I will spend more credits than I have in the past as well, knowing I'll have that weapon for a while, but more importantly, I will come back one day with the intention of getting an improved design.
3) I will buy your "best" weapon knowing that it may not be the be-all and end-all example, simply because I know I can destroy it down the road when I find (or you make) better. If the item is 1 use, I will be holding out on all big purchaces untill I find "perfect". That translates to NO high-end, legendary sales unless the item in question is "perfect", using near +300 krayt, etc.
Flame on, but keep in mind, I am speaking as a customer. And isnt it our behavior and intentions to buy you should be focused on?
BruSwillis
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:06 am
#20
Summerflame wrote:
BruSwillis wrote:
It's called scaremongery.
Fact: More people will use the kits on their jedi accounts for their sabers which has no effect on WS sales. might be, but loads of people have extra account providing them with extra kits..
Loads? I think you are adding to the scaremongering. Yes people have extra accounts no not everyone has taken the NDK as their reward and that is another fact.
Fact: People with legendary weapons will use their NDK on that weapon and will still buy regular weapons. why shoudl they buy regular weapons when theyhave a legendary wepon that will never decay...
Different weapons have different damage types, different MOBs have different resists.
Fact: after the CU all weapons will be viable and have a use in game. yes perhaps, but noone knows when the CU will hit. If this was guarenteed to make each profession need at least 3 weapons and that the Cu would come tomorrow I dont think the outcry would be as loud
The outcry isnt loud, it's a few people scarmongering over nothing. You will not be backed in this by other gamers, you are coming across as spoilt children
Fact: New weapons are coming into game after the CU Again yeas, but who knows when this is gonna hit. See above.
Who cares when it's coming out, fact is it is and if you are in this for the long term and have been playing long term you will be looking forward to these changes not complaining over something that will have little effect.
Fact: 95% of people who have this reward will use it on their best/favourite weapon, very few will use it on grinding weapons. No, but with this kit applied they can use their favourite weapon as grinding weapon, which means they dont have to buy extras...
Same reason as before, different weapons have different damage types, different MOBs have different resists.
Fact: This reward will have very little effect on the WS trade.this is not a fact this is your interpretation and might be right, might be wrong.
I Have seen no evidence at all to even hint at this making a difference to our trade.
ShugFlurry
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:21 am
#21
BruSwillis wrote:
Summerflame wrote:
BruSwillis wrote:It's called scaremongery.Fact: More people will use the kits on their jedi accounts for their sabers which has no effect on WS sales. might be, but loads of people have extra account providing them with extra kits..Loads? I think you are adding to the scaremongering. Yes people have extra accounts no not everyone has taken the NDK as their reward and that is another fact.Fact: People with legendary weapons will use their NDK on that weapon and will still buy regular weapons. why shoudl they buy regular weapons when theyhave a legendary wepon that will never decay...Different weapons have different damage types, different MOBs have different resists.Fact: after the CU all weapons will be viable and have a use in game. yes perhaps, but noone knows when the CU will hit. If this was guarenteed to make each profession need at least 3 weapons and that the Cu would come tomorrow I dont think the outcry would be as loudThe outcry isnt loud, it's a few people scarmongering over nothing. You will not be backed in this by other gamers, you are coming across as spoilt childrenFact: New weapons are coming into game after the CU Again yeas, but who knows when this is gonna hit. See above.Who cares when it's coming out, fact is it is and if you are in this for the long term and have been playing long term you will be looking forward to these changes not complaining over something that will have little effect.Fact: 95% of people who have this reward will use it on their best/favourite weapon, very few will use it on grinding weapons. No, but with this kit applied they can use their favourite weapon as grinding weapon, which means they dont have to buy extras...Same reason as before, different weapons have different damage types, different MOBs have different resists.Fact: This reward will have very little effect on the WS trade.this is not a fact this is your interpretation and might be right, might be wrong.I Have seen no evidence at all to even hint at this making a difference to our trade.
Brus, take a dps on a 4k T21 compared to a 400max jawa. You'll need the mob to have around 90% resist and heavy armour and be vulnerable to stun.
Valuthorax
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:39 am
#22
As a Customer of weaponmsmiths -- I am honestly more likley to buy high end weapons now -- no worry of decay and i can use them -- once i see a weapon that is even better -- I will destroy the item decay and buy another -- saving up for even multiple item decay items ...
Before these i woud by a med strenght weapon at a low price -- I die alot -- now i can save up for those big purchases.
johnautry613
Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:43 am
#23
ana-mo-cara wrote:
Fact bru most players have a completed template. So yes they will use it on their favorite weapon and never buy another. I have a krayt llc will I ever need to buy another krayt llc, or a regular llc for that matter no. Fact weaponsmiths rely on return business less return business means lower sales. Fact the CU is not even here yet I doubt that the alpha testing has even started. I think its still in sandbox. Ergo we have to wait months for multifaceted value to show up.
If your a weaponsmith you are required by game law to make credits selling weapons.
Two points. If you r first is 'true', which the first part I dont doubt, how many weapons do you think people go through? I have had master swordman for 10 months. I have had three hammers.
1. a nice speed sliced one I used for grinding.
2. One I pounded intot he earth doing an AFK macro loot.
3. A very Nice Acklay Hammer.
1 and 2 are not going to change with the no decay kit. 3 might. so you really need to step back a bit and see that this does not have much of an effect if at all on the game.
As to your second, you are aware that there are infinitly more ways to get money in this game and still have a master smith title? I persoanlly can stand solo infront of a canyon Krayt, I can solo the Geo cave. any number of things. If you are choosing to limit yourself to the specificity of WS, then you really can only blame your self.
Message Edited by johnautry613 on 02-11-2005 11:45 AM
Rince_uk
Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:36 pm
#24
"It's called scaremongery. No - it's called an opinion - until these things bave been around, no-one actually knows.
Fact: More people will use the kits on their jedi accounts for their sabers which has no effect on WS sales. You are summising here - not a fact... again
Fact: People with legendary weapons will use their NDK on that weapon and will still buy regular weapons. How can you say that? This is your opinion. I won't need to buy any more pikes, so not a fact.
Fact: after the CU all weapons will be viable and have a use in game. Not a fact yet - remains to be seen!
Fact: New weapons are coming into game after the CU Only one in here that is fact
Fact: 95% of people who have this reward will use it on their best/favourite weapon, very few will use it on grinding weapons. Not a fact at all, but probable
Fact: This reward will have very little effect on the WS trade." Not a fact at all - you have no idea yet - none of us does!
ana-mo-cara
Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:13 pm
#25
Here is the gag. With a antidecay kit grinding weapon and best weapon are the same. You can do 2 birds with 1 stone.
This is the reason i never used my best weapons to grind with. I used average. Saved the best for when best was called for. Sure alot of jedi will use it on the lightstick, but not everyone is a jedi.
The thread is moot point though. These things are here to say. The devs cannot come back and say wait we are changeing it. They pull a stunt they will hear a resounding gamebreak from all the players that forked out creds to buy some. I went and bought 1 you know how much it cost me 4 million credits. Result if you tell me your going to nerf it now. I am going to take it out of your hide with a cancellation.
We can petition all we want, but players are not going to tolerate a reversal now. The answer is obvious some weaponsmiths are going to have to take a hint and stop being weaponsmith. The market is soft as is this will just make the profession that much harder.
ForceFielding
Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:27 pm
#26
Not going to sign this petiton
It misses the point
Anti-decay kits should not work on weapons .. PERIOD
Weapons already don't decay when you die. The very notion that you can pop one of these on your weapon for unlimitesd uses is absurd.
God-Mode and Resource-Duping should not have been "rewards". Whoever thought so should be fired from their job at SOE. Self powered harvester is completely lame too for the sake of the game. This is a perfect example of people who don't play the game who sit around desks in an office and make decisions on the game.