Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Petition non vednorable sliced goods.
DragonSnack
Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:01 pm
#14
My other 129 sklll points went to Master Commando and to Novice Scout +hunting 1
Your a Smuggler
You plan on slicing stuff on the spot?
The crack down is coming and transporting illegal weapons and armor is against the law.
Both Rebvel and Imperial trops will enforce that law.
Hurlobacca
Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:57 pm
#16
Lol, each post successively more non-sensical. If I as a WS can't sell sliced weapons on my vendor, then no one can sell spices or slicing tools either, since everyone knows that these items have no legitimate purpose. Taking your notion of the illegality of smugglers a step further, I think that if a smuggler slices an item, then his name should appear on the terminals so BH's can collect a reward for ridding the galaxy of this scum. Since smugglers couldn't slice in bulk like they do for me now, they'd show up on the terms every time they do a slice for someone. Slicing would become so expensive becuase it would always entail a trip to the cloning center for the smuggler. This only makes sense anyway since smugglers are criminals.
ana-mo-cara wrote:
Perhaps part of the problem is that players are just going through smiths for slices in the first place. This might be where the skewed view comes from. The fact that steak is on your plate dosent tell you how you got it. The customer doesnt know that a huge chunk of the cow went into hotdogs. That the seller is getting rid of the garbage by selling the garbage at cost, or destroying it outright.
You know when the game was new players generally understood how the sliceing system worked, and players did not grief the smuggler for it. They knew it was random and that a master was just a little bit better then a novice. The fact that many players are not understanding now. Is comeing from the fact that they do not have to deal with smugglers in any direct sense. Infact alot of players do not even know what sliceing is. Thats how bad it is the entire concept is beyond them.
I have literally had customers come up to me and ask me to slice something when I had my weaponsmith tag on. When I asked how they knew I was a smuggler. They were totally perplexed they thought MWS were the people that did the sliceing. Not that they were far wrong.
Hell when I was out walking the streets doing my slice speal. Players literally sent me tells asking what sliceing was. This is cute when its a noob its sad when the guy has a T21 in his hand and has a master tag.
As for the sliceing gear clamps and wuks and knives. I think those should be vendorable. Spice maybe not hopefully the curb will kick it up a notch and players could sell it on the street.
ana-mo-cara
Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:18 pm
#17
What are you guys on crack there is no freaking spice market. Your just useing that as a excuse. Not to mention show me the sliceing equipment market also. Where are the people needing sliceing equipment made for them other then AUKs and WUKs. Which are both legal items. Please guys there is no spice market, and its questionable if the spice market will be fixed by the CURB. This has nothing to do with those markets. Show me a smuggler getting rich off spice and molecular clamps and I will bust a gut.
Lets not use spices and sliceing gear as an excuse to not do something about presliced items on vendors. Different creatures here folks different creatures.
Giamai
Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:30 pm
#19
ana-mo-cara wrote:
What are you guys on crack there is no freaking spice market. Your just useing that as a excuse. Not to mention show me the sliceing equipment market also. Where are the people needing sliceing equipment made for them other then AUKs and WUKs. Which are both legal items. Please guys there is no spice market, and its questionable if the spice market will be fixed by the CURB. This has nothing to do with those markets. Show me a smuggler getting rich off spice and molecular clamps and I will bust a gut.
Lets not use spices and sliceing gear as an excuse to not do something about presliced items on vendors. Different creatures here folks different creatures.
lol thats not the point...the point is consistency, you can't make one illegal item unvendorable without making all of them unvendorable. they aren't different creatures. a sliced t21 may be worth more than a crate of pixie but they are similarly supposedly targeted by the Empire as contraband.
my entire point in arguing against this is (to summarize) one, that you must make all illegal items unvendorable for it to make sense, two, that it actually harms the crafters by changing the demand for crates of weapons which increases resource usage, and three, that smugglers will then be in far greater demand by being asked to slice those same crates as everyone will want only the best slice. basically its doing the same thing we have now only we have added a chore to the customer in finding a smuggler and raised prices because increased demand for smuggling services willallow smugglers the excuse to increase prices. and that assumes many of them want to deal with the grief that slicing for the public brings.
as for money making yes i actually make money of tools and spice...my ws pulls more money then this stuff makes but pixie and muon do still have a consistent market. with the loss of solo groups, my smuggler appreciates the 500k or so this brings in on top of fp sales and faction stuff. and no these things are not going to be fixed in the CURB...its to be revamped as part of the smuggler revamp which follows it...although we will see how this turns out 
Hurlobacca
Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:33 pm
#20
Let me explain to you why your proposal is so unacceptable it's laughable. First, dispel yourself of the notion that the best way to fix one profession is to break another. Every single weapon sliced in the game is already sliced by a smuggler as no one else has the skill to do it. What you are asking for is to have sliced weapons on vendors prohibited in order to redistribute the slicing business. I sell dozens of sliced vendors every week. I pay smugglers to slice those weapons. Why should my business be gimped to satisfy your whim?
I can assure you that even if your hare-brained petition were endorsed, which is not going to happen, I would still work around you and nothing would change except I would charge the players a lot more to get their 25% slices because the sales process would become so cumbersome. First, I would just stick my sliced weapons in backpacks and name the backpacks according to the contents. That would probably solve the problem of selling prohibited weapons right there. If not, I'd just sell backpacks with the stats of the hundreds of weapons I mass sliced, and when a player bought the pack they'd come to me for their 33% dmg slice which I would redeem for the pack. This process would take so long that I'd have to limit myself to selling only premium slices and I'd simply churn and burn as many weapons as I'd have to to ensure I have an adequate supply. This would make the prospect of going to a smuggler very unattractive since they have such a small chance of a successful slice when only slicing a handful of items.
Frankly, I'm fed up with people wanting to fix their broken profession at someone else's expense. There are plenty of things to do to improve smuggler and smugglers already own 100% of the slicing market so stay the hell away from my profession.
Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 02-14-2005 06:35 PM
Hurlobacca
Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:59 pm
#21
Sturngard_Blastshield wrote:
Sliced Items are illegal under the current laws imposed by the Evil Empire.
As a Rebel I think that sliced weapons should be illegal on vendors.
Hmmm......you respect the empire's authority to ban sliced weapons? Sounds like you are the wrong faction then. As are as I'm concerned the emperor can kiss my a**. Any time I see a probot I just shoot them rather than let them scan me. It's none of the empire's business what I'm carrying on me.
Hurlobacca
Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:18 pm
#22
Does anyone else beside me see the hypocrisy in this thread? Here is a MWS who is also a Master Smuggler, supposedly looking out for the poor little non-crafting smuggler when in fact it is players like her that deprive non-crafting smugglers of slicing business to begin with by doing it all on their own instead of spreading a little gold around. If you cared so much about helping smugglers to make a living, try dropping smuggler and paying a non-crafting smuggler to do all your slicing like I do, instead of being so greedy and trying to make all the money yourself. You're so proud of yourself for trying to come up with a "solution" that you fail to realize that you are part of the very problem you are pretending to try and solve. Get off your high horse.
Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 02-14-2005 07:20 PM
EdOWar
Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:19 pm
#23
Hurlobacca wrote:
I can assure you that even if your hare-brained petition were endorsed, which is not going to happen, I would still work around you and nothing would change except I would charge the players a lot more to get their 25% slices because the sales process would become so cumbersome. First, I would just stick my sliced weapons in backpacks and name the backpacks according to the contents. That would probably solve the problem of selling prohibited weapons right there. If not, I'd just sell backpacks with the stats of the hundreds of weapons I mass sliced, and when a player bought the pack they'd come to me for their 33% dmg slice which I would redeem for the pack. This process would take so long that I'd have to limit myself to selling only premium slices and I'd simply churn and burn as many weapons as I'd have to to ensure I have an adequate supply. This would make the prospect of going to a smuggler very unattractive since they have such a small chance of a successful slice when only slicing a handful of items.
Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 02-14-2005 06:35 PM
Got to admit, he has a point here. Any ban on illegal items on vendors/bazaar, whether sliced guns, spice or slicing gear, could be easily circumvented by placing items in backpacks, or using backpacks as claim checks (which would be more cumbersome, but still very doable). There might still be a trust issue (does that backpack really have a 35% damage sliced gun in it?), but it wouldn't take long for people to figure out who the reputable smiths were.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
CorenLanra
Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:32 pm
#24
I'll just say that I am against this as I have 95% of my weapons sliced, and price my weapons by the slice. Selling only unsliced or crated weapons would cut down on my profits big time.
Other than stating this probably will never ever happen I will say just this. If you guys are worried about starwars "canon", consider that the best weapons of the game sometimes drop out of a Krayt's behind (exceptional weapons).
Other than stating this probably will never ever happen I will say just this. If you guys are worried about starwars "canon", consider that the best weapons of the game sometimes drop out of a Krayt's behind (exceptional weapons).
Giamai
Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:36 pm
#25
EdOWar wrote:
Hurlobacca wrote:
I can assure you that even if your hare-brained petition were endorsed, which is not going to happen, I would still work around you and nothing would change except I would charge the players a lot more to get their 25% slices because the sales process would become so cumbersome. First, I would just stick my sliced weapons in backpacks and name the backpacks according to the contents. That would probably solve the problem of selling prohibited weapons right there. If not, I'd just sell backpacks with the stats of the hundreds of weapons I mass sliced, and when a player bought the pack they'd come to me for their 33% dmg slice which I would redeem for the pack. This process would take so long that I'd have to limit myself to selling only premium slices and I'd simply churn and burn as many weapons as I'd have to to ensure I have an adequate supply. This would make the prospect of going to a smuggler very unattractive since they have such a small chance of a successful slice when only slicing a handful of items.
Message Edited by Hurlobacca on 02-14-2005 06:35 PM
Got to admit, he has a point here. Any ban on illegal items on vendors/bazaar, whether sliced guns, spice or slicing gear, could be easily circumvented by placing items in backpacks, or using backpacks as claim checks (which would be more cumbersome, but still very doable). There might still be a trust issue (does that backpack really have a 35% damage sliced gun in it?), but it wouldn't take long for people to figure out who the reputable smiths were.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
yeah its a good workaround, should this change go through i think i will use it 
as for exceptional weapons dropping out of a krayt's butt? lol yeah but think about what that krayt might have had for lunch...some guy might have been digested but his weapon survived
DragonSnack
Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:52 pm
#26
Hey hairstyles!
Check out the way pilots can not only smuggle without investing a single skill pointbut can also sell faction points.
WOW It just dawned on me!
after I make mastermpilot I will be able to smuggle and sell FP.
Makes a Smuggler proud to know he can XXX himself!