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Thread: Post CU DE-10?
grifta wrote:
DE-10 w/ Yellow barrel and 187 damage tissues came out with DPS of 345, a High Cap Scatter with same tissues and similar experimentation came out to 366 dps.
would be interesting to know the max and minimal damage. For someone with more than 160 overall pistol speed, the supposed higher max damage of the de-10 might end being better than a simply 20 dps increase.
Message Edited by Darth-Kevlar on 05-19-2005 06:38 PM
it is above 1000 after sliced, altough unknown yet.
Friend made one,with a pre-cu yellow barrel, with 965 i think , that, after sliced, reached 1009 dmg ( maybe it is thecap, unknow yet) I'll try to get +180 dmg tissues if possible, and ask a good weaponsmith to make me1or 2if possible , since i still have 2 yellow barrel and 2 schems. For what is know yellow barrels don't drop anymore....
This thread illustrates my progression on weapon design post CU....
1) At first I was maxing out damage since all the speed looked so good
2) Then I started getting all my components with as low SAC as possible
3) Then the DPS craze hit, i was mad i made my components that way
4) Then testing showed DPS was misleading so I was glad about my original plan
5) It has become quite obvious despite evidence to the contrary that customers still think DPS is the money stat
well everyone kind of knew the de-10 could go over 948....
Some converted de-10 went above 948... i personally have one with 972 and 3 others with damage of 962, 958, 954. The problem is that the DPS wasn't that good (324, 305,304) . There is even a post here, somewhere, that had basic weapon damage , and the de-10 had slightly highermax damage that the scatter or dl44xt. Even the bluefrogs de-10 had more max damage than the others ( +20 i guess) . Wasn't hard to simply guess that the cap was around 960.
Problem is that the de-10 is slower also. Attack speed of them gets between 2.35 and at 2.05. Haven't seen any unsliced with speed lower than 2.00. And weapon attack still matters to a point. To make it a viable weapon one needs to be master pistoleer and MBH or at least dabble in skills that grant him considerable general ranged speed to get at least a modified speedof 1.5 seconds. Going with only , lets say, 100 overall speed might work with a scatter, dl44xt... but not with a de-10. Things get even harder if one pup it with some 29% dmg powerup.... a dl44xt or advanced scatter powered up with max damage is still very viable. A power uped de-10 can be also.. but only with the correct template.
One thing still.. the few good de-10 i saw made postcu were always the result of using pre-cu yellow barrels with really high damage tissues. Haven't seen none breaking the 950 max damagewith the white barrels that now drop. And we all kind of knew that the yellow barrel could increase the damage by a given amount depending of hidden stats.
questions now :
is it possible to break the1000 damage barrier with the barrels that drop now?.
the 1009 damage my friend got was after a damage slice. Theguy that sliced itsaidhegot a 10% damage slice . But even a 10% damage slice over 948 should drive the max damage to 1042 and not 1009.
also, after powering up my own converted 972 damage de-10 with a 29% damage powerup, my max damage goes to 1110 .. that is not the effect of (29%x972)+972. The damage should be around 1250.... not 1110.
PeakDantu wrote:
This thread illustrates my progression on weapon design post CU....
1) At first I was maxing out damage since all the speed looked so good
2) Then I started getting all my components with as low SAC as possible
3) Then the DPS craze hit, i was mad i made my components that way
4) Then testing showed DPS was misleading so I was glad about my original plan
5) It has become quite obvious despite evidence to the contrary that customers still think DPS is the money stat
Most people don't read forums. Since making a good comparison between the use of specials with diferent weapons is hard and time consuming, the dps is still a very fast away to make a comparisson of 2 weapons with similar damage and diferent speed. We have to remember that most stuff caps at around 950, The only real difference is speed and sac. Myself.. i preffer a 310 dps weapon with 85 sac over a 350 dps weapon with95 sac or 380 dps with 110 sac.
The DE-10 is of interest to MP since it is the only pistol that will have a max damage greater than 960. SAC is so important now.
Frosti
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler