Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: New weapons: art department lacking originality or what?
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Pyrewolf
Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:06 pm
#1
I mean, damn, they could've at least made an attempt at covering up the original designs. What am I talking about, you ask? Take a look:
The new LD-1 sniper rifle, suspiciously similiar to a certain rifle made famous (to gamers, at least) by Counter-Strike.
The Proton Carbine, pretty much a straight ripoff of the HK G36, right down to the the shape of the stock.
The Proton Rifle is, again, virtually a copy of the HK OICW (minus the carbine).
Seems like either a.) sci-fi firearms aren't the art team's forte (e.g., the joke of a weapon known as the Massassi ink rifle, or the ridiculously unbalanced looking new heavy weapons the commandos get) or b.) this is another case of them not being given enough time to get the job done right.
Message Edited by Pyrewolf on 04-03-2005 10:11 PM
Yaurrada
Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:27 pm
#3
All of the star wars weapons in the movies and "expanded universe" were based off of real guns for the most part. I can name a few weapons, mainly the DL-44 and the stormtrooper laser rifle, that are based from real life weapons.
Also, I don't think the smiper rifle was based from the one you mentioned. Well, it looked nothing like it besides the pieces under the barrel, and those didn't even look that alike.
Pyrewolf
Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:51 pm
#5
Not based on the L96? Are you looking at the same pictures as me? Look at the middle pic on that page - the screws, the groove below the barrel, even the cutout above the magazine well (even though the LD-1 has no magazine) are all identical.The only major difference is the shape of the buttstock, in particular the thumbhole presentin the real version. Subtract the scope, add a funky thing on the bottom, flip the barrel sight upside-down (lot of good it'll do then...) and you have the LD-1. I don't see how it can not be based on the L96/AWP.
I'm not a big gun fanatic or anything, but I still recognized these guns pretty much immediately. Finding the links didn't exactly take much time.
And no, I'm notanyone's mailman 
RWC
Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:52 am
#6
There was a big debate about these when the pics were first found around Publish 9 but not many people agreed with me.
The Alliance Needler Carbine
Needler Carbine
seems to look alot like the back end of a Steyr Aug
Steyr Aug
The DE10 is hardly an original design but I wont go into that.
Before someone says it again, yes the film weapons were all made from real weapons but thats because they had a budget and had to make actual physical props, the art designers dont have this problem. Im not really complaining about the new stuff but some of the new stuff doesnt look very "Star Warsy"
The Alliance Needler Carbine
Needler Carbine
seems to look alot like the back end of a Steyr Aug
Steyr Aug
The DE10 is hardly an original design but I wont go into that.
Before someone says it again, yes the film weapons were all made from real weapons but thats because they had a budget and had to make actual physical props, the art designers dont have this problem. Im not really complaining about the new stuff but some of the new stuff doesnt look very "Star Warsy"
Pyrewolf
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:20 am
#7
Now that you mention it, I think you're right. The more I look at the needler carbine, the more it looks like it is in fact based on the AUG. Telltale giveaways are the grip (note the trigger) and the contour running down the middle of the stock. Strip off the scope, hand guard, fore grip and magazine of the AUG and there's your Alliance Needler.
RWC
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:00 am
#9
Pyrewolf wrote:Now that you mention it, I think you're right. The more I look at the needler carbine, the more it looks like it is in fact based on the AUG. Telltale giveaways are the grip (note the trigger) and the contour running down the middle of the stock. Strip off the scope, hand guard, fore grip and magazine of the AUG and there's your Alliance Needler.
Exactly what I was thinking. Ive also had people tell me the Laser Rifle is a SPAS12, I can see why they say it but I dont really think it is.
Seilyn_Nox
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:06 am
#10
The weapons in the movies were all based off older firearms (WWII vintage and earlier in most cases) so it ended up giving them a fairly exotic look even though they were essentially real world weapons with windshield wipers or something attached. These new ones are either based on parts of the HK36 or the AUG. It doesn't bother me too much, however I would have liked to see the designs be more reflective of the established weapons already in game/continuity - similar to how the Elite carbine bears a remote resemblance to the E11 line, but still distinctly different. These new ones look a little hacked together for my taste...
...but we're still getting new weapons to craft, so YAY! 
Yaurrada
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:32 am
#11
Pyrewolf wrote:
Not based on the L96? Are you looking at the same pictures as me? Look at the middle pic on that page - the screws, the groove below the barrel, even the cutout above the magazine well (even though the LD-1 has no magazine) are all identical.The only major difference is the shape of the buttstock, in particular the thumbhole presentin the real version. Subtract the scope, add a funky thing on the bottom, flip the barrel sight upside-down (lot of good it'll do then...) and you have the LD-1. I don't see how it can not be based on the L96/AWP.
Alright, you win this round. I see what you mean now.
Cianhydle
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:42 am
#12
Seems like either a.) sci-fi firearms aren't the art team's forte (e.g., the joke of a weapon known as the Massassi ink rifle, or the ridiculously unbalanced looking new heavy weapons the commandos get) or b.) this is another case of them not being given enough time to get the job done right.
Hey, at least your new stuffs don't look like something from the worst movie ever made... The Mystery of Monster Island.
Renea,
Implementor
Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:42 pm
#13
ohhh somebody know's their firearms *cheer* i recognized everything right off...I am a gun fan, I am a girl....I do deliver your mail 
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