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Thread: Where did my last point go?

Whrlwnd13
Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:12 am
#1

ok i was crafting this Czerka (Using +79 -0.43 Gorax Enh ABPHs) -20 sacpre-cu stock, and +58 prenerf scope and a 15-41 -9sac barrel.


I'm in a research center with ws buff and using port and cake.


After getting 96% experimentation (with 5% amazings) on dmg, i put two points to sac got an amazing and capped it. leaving 1 remaining experimentation point.


these were my stats 2.28 speed, 372-848dmg 267.8dps, +60 accuracy 73sac.


i didn't want to put the last point into speed which gives minimal improvement so i decided to throw it into damage figuring i could get the experimentation up to 99%


took a swig of port and hit experiment on damageand the final stat was.


Amazing sucess! 97% 372-848dmg 267.8dps


**edit**???


the experimentation only went up 1% anddamage and dps didn't change one bit??


Any idea what happened to my last point? I should have hada slightincrease indmg or something.


for reference i was using


382 cd 953 oq Titanium Alum

939 cd 986 oq Platinite Copper

973 cd 975 oq Polysteel Copper (for metal)


Did i hit the resource cap or was it a bug? I've never seen an experimentation point have 0 effect on the weapon.




Xyrek Lok
Master Weaponsmith
12pt WS, +20 FS Experimentation
Crafting High Quality Weapons Since 03/2004

WP 1190 -3620 1km NE of Coronet at the Omega Force Guildhall

- I supported keeping & balancing the old combat system SOE didn't care and gave us the WoW/EQ2 clone anyway
GrooperNugent
Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:22 am
#2

I have had the same experience, and the guys on Teamspeak can assure you my remarks were not *edited*, lol


My best guess is that you were at something like 96.49999% and the resource cap was at 97%, so essentially you had done all you could with your resources. Those hidden decimals will bite you in the arse.


FWIW, if I have one little tick left on the experimentation bar, I have to think long and hard before I put another point there, because this type of thing seems to happen more often than not and that point might be better used somewhere else.





Grooper/LEEROY
*Fishstick* Weapons
-1656, 4483 Babylon, Dantooine Mining Outpost
Ecnirp
Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:25 am
#3






GrooperNugent wrote:

I have had the same experience, and the guys on Teamspeak can assure you my remarks were not *edited*, lol


My best guess is that you were at something like 96.49999% and the resource cap was at 97%, so essentially you had done all you could with your resources. Those hidden decimals will bite you in the arse.


FWIW, if I have one little tick left on the experimentation bar, I have to think long and hard before I put another point there, because this type of thing seems to happen more often than not and that point might be better used somewhere else.








Yeah I have had similar experiences, I have thrown in another point into damage when there was just a tiny fragment of green bar left and had not increase at all in damage.


If I am in that boat I tend to think twice about it now as well and put it into SAC or speed instead.


Whrlwnd13
Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:34 am
#4


Yea in retrospect I should have put it into speed (since sac was capped). But I figured that speed can easily be sliced with better results than what 1 point can do on the final combine.


I would have thought that if resources were capped i would have at least seen a slight increase in min damage. or at least 0.1 increase in dps or something? I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to lesson learned.




Xyrek Lok
Master Weaponsmith
12pt WS, +20 FS Experimentation
Crafting High Quality Weapons Since 03/2004

WP 1190 -3620 1km NE of Coronet at the Omega Force Guildhall

- I supported keeping & balancing the old combat system SOE didn't care and gave us the WoW/EQ2 clone anyway
Ecnirp
Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:36 am
#5






Whrlwnd13 wrote:


Yea in retrospect I should have put it into speed (since sac was capped). But I figured that speed can easily be sliced with better results than what 1 point can do on the final combine.


I would have thought that if resources were capped i would have at least seen a slight increase in min damage. or at least 0.1 increase in dps or something? I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to lesson learned.







Yeah I have done it in the hope that at least the min damage might have increased a little.


One on those lessons that are learned the hard way



Rinviero
Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:17 am
#6

If you know you are only 1% away from the cap, using a whole point is a waste IMHO, use it on speed, SAC, anything... Get a better all round weapon.

ShugFlurry
Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:56 am
#7

I call BS on this























































































































Czerka's dont use ABPH!



Shug
12pt Master WeaponSmith Master Force Crafter
-843 2827 Dantooine, Mining Outpost
Maceey
Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:00 am
#8






Rinviero wrote:

If you know you are only 1% away from the cap, using a whole point is a waste IMHO, use it on speed, SAC, anything... Get a better all round weapon.






correct but he didn't knew if he was close to the cap.



And by looking at your resources i'm going for crafting cap on this one. It did increase not by a lot so you didn't bug it but used it. Might not have been the best way to use it but still. It's good to learn a lesson like this next time you will be sure to know what's your cap with the resources you have.






Maceey USRForce
12 Point Master Weaponsmith--->Night Elf Hunter
Corellia, Fraggers Island
CotC Mall [ 6350 4420 ]
GrooperNugent
Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:01 am
#9

Shug is in some kinda mood today



Grooper/LEEROY
*Fishstick* Weapons
-1656, 4483 Babylon, Dantooine Mining Outpost
ShugFlurry
Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:17 am
#10



GrooperNugent wrote:
Shug is in some kinda mood today





Not more than usual



Shug
12pt Master WeaponSmith Master Force Crafter
-843 2827 Dantooine, Mining Outpost
Rinviero
Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:17 am
#11






mace wrote:





Rinviero wrote:

If you know you are only 1% away from the cap, using a whole point is a waste IMHO, use it on speed, SAC, anything... Get a better all round weapon.






correct but he didn't knew if he was close to the cap.



And by looking at your resources I'm going for crafting cap on this one. It did increase not by a lot so you didn't bug it but used it. Might not have been the best way to use it but still. It's good to learn a lesson like this next time you will be sure to know what's your cap with the resources you have.







When I was an AS I knew what % any experimentation would cap at, and if I was going to make a loot item I would practice with standard components first....

Maceey
Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:20 am
#12






Rinviero wrote:





mace wrote:





Rinviero wrote:

If you know you are only 1% away from the cap, using a whole point is a waste IMHO, use it on speed, SAC, anything... Get a better all round weapon.






correct but he didn't knew if he was close to the cap.



And by looking at your resources I'm going for crafting cap on this one. It did increase not by a lot so you didn't bug it but used it. Might not have been the best way to use it but still. It's good to learn a lesson like this next time you will be sure to know what's your cap with the resources you have.







When I was an AS I knew what % any experimentation would cap at, and if I was going to make a loot item I would practice with standard components first....





correct but when i look at the post i will conclude that he didn't knew at what % he would cap. I have a list with the % for the most common weapons i make. But from reading the post he doesn't have that. So he learned it the hard way.




Maceey USRForce
12 Point Master Weaponsmith--->Night Elf Hunter
Corellia, Fraggers Island
CotC Mall [ 6350 4420 ]
CorenLanra
Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:21 pm
#13



Maceey wrote:


Rinviero wrote:
If you know you are only 1% away from the cap, using a whole point is a waste IMHO, use it on speed, SAC, anything... Get a better all round weapon.



correct but he didn't knew if he was close to the cap.

And by looking at your resources i'm going for crafting cap on this one. It did increase not by a lot so you didn't bug it but used it. Might not have been the best way to use it but still. It's good to learn a lesson like this next time you will be sure to know what's your cap with the resources you have.






That's not really an excuse. Craft a test with your buff and determine what your resource cap is before using your million credit enhancers. I know my Featherweights cap out lower at like 95% and laser rifles cap out about 97%. If I get within 1% I usually bypass dmg and go with speed, I also look at the min dmg and see how that is affected. Sometimes min dmg will go up but max stays the same depending on how the previous exp's went.



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