Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Have I been conned?
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theonlyoneiknow
Mon May 17, 2004 8:59 am
#1
I just got handed a few VK's back that I had made using Nym vibro motors. The resources used had 991 SR. I would have expected unsliced dmg values of around 160'ish.
Is a dmg rating of 37/139 bad using the above? It leads me personally to a max dmg of 184, if I get a +33% dmg slice on them. That's not right, surely?
I've read on this forum of VK's with well over 200 max dmg using Nym motors. Mine suck as far as I'm concerned!
Siymon
Mon May 17, 2004 9:04 am
#2
All depends on what this particular WS's standard VK's are. And did he use the motor as a enhancment in the vibro unit or did he replace the motor with the enhancment (knew a WS that did this)
Dodece
Mon May 17, 2004 9:06 am
#3
Listen weaponsmithing is not like putting something in the microwave. If you asked for something else to be done to the weapon. The smith would have to sacrafice something in the damage. If you did not do this. The weaponsmith could have fallen pray to a couple failures or worse a crit failure. A weaponsmith has no control over these things. Just like you have no control over the fact that some of your hits fail.
I think your referring to nightsister motors. Nym motors supposedly do not come out that great anymore.
theonlyoneiknow
Mon May 17, 2004 10:00 am
#4
The standard VK's made on Farstar have an unsliced max of 147, FACT.
@ Siymon - "All depends on what this particular WS's standard VK's are" -I assume you refer to my above statement?
"did he use the motor as a enhancment in the vibro unit or did he replace the motor with the enhancment?" - I've no idea. He didn't say. I'm guessing that they are s'posed to be used as an enhancement? I've never done WS'ing so I don't know for sure, but if that IS the case, surely a MWS would know this??
Siymon
Mon May 17, 2004 10:06 am
#5
What were the stats on the Nightsister motors. Will give a better picture and I could tell you more than likely what happen.
LemyDaBigHairyWookie
Mon May 17, 2004 10:16 am
#6
theonlyoneiknow wrote:The standard VK's made on Farstar have an unsliced max of 147, FACT.@ Siymon - "All depends on what this particular WS's standard VK's are" - I assume you refer to my above statement?"did he use the motor as a enhancment in the vibro unit or did he replace the motor with the enhancment?" - I've no idea. He didn't say. I'm guessing that they are s'posed to be used as an enhancement? I've never done WS'ing so I don't know for sure, but if that IS the case, surely a MWS would know this??
Without knowing the other stats on the weapon (i.e. speed, accuracy, ham) its hard to say... A well crafted ADV VK is around 2.2spd, +11-+20 @ All ranges, and between 30/50/30 and 35/55/35 on the ham costs... There are also 3 Types of Nym Enhancements... Speed, Wound and Damage... any one of those could have been used... One explaination is the person used Regular Vibro Motors with the Nym Damage Enhancement but without knowing the full stats on the weapon its near impossible to infer (also you could have gotten handed some Moderated-VK's - who knows except the weaponsmith)
smork
Mon May 17, 2004 10:19 am
#7
what is the speed on those VK's? I would guess from those damage numbers you used a lightweight vibro motor and not the high powered.
Ehan
Mon May 17, 2004 10:39 am
#8
My main question is, do you remember for sure what the stats on the nym vibro motors were? Were they +20 to max dmg, -0.2 to speed, or did they add wound damage? It is possible the motors were either the speed or wound ones, in which case, those are roughly the stats you would have come out with. If you know for a fact they were the +20 to max dmg motors, then it sounds like you were given VK's made without the motors. If the speed is 2.0 or 1.9, they were definitely made using the speed motors. I don't remember what the wound stats are, so I'm not sure what to check on there. I can take a look at my stuff later and get back to you when I get home from work.
Ehan
Master Weaponsmith - Intrepid
theonlyoneiknow
Mon May 17, 2004 10:54 am
#9
Thanks for all the posts thus far.
The motors I gave him were Nym motors, not NS ones.
They ALL had -0.5 AS, +25 min +30 max dmg. I can't remember what the HAM costs were nor the wound %, (if any).
I didn't realise there was so much to WS'ing. I assumed that they would come out with an enhanced min/max dmg rating and then I would hand them to a smuggler to "hopefully" get that all important +33% dmg slice.
Does a WS have control over his/her finished product? I.E., can they push the crafting process in the direction of dmg, speed or HAM cost reduction, etc, or is it pure chance, like slicing?
I appologise if I annoyed any WS out there. That was never my intention, but I paid 7K a pop for the motors and as it stands, I can buy "normal" VK's unsliced with better dmg than these from most WS vendors or the bazaar.
Rangerw
Mon May 17, 2004 11:39 am
#11
"They ALL had -0.5 AS, +25 min +30 max dmg"
There are 3 type Nym vibro unit enhancements:
1) High Powered (+20 MaxDam)
2) High Freq (Adds +5 to Wound)
3) Lightweight (takes a tiny bit off speed and adds too much HAM)
Never seen any that do as you described.
On Ahazi VKs made with the High Powered Nym's Enhancement should end up 2.2 speed with 167 MaxDam plus minus. I made up 4 night before last.
Dova
Mon May 17, 2004 11:41 am
#12
Um, those are the lightweight reward motors, not Nym motors. They make a faster VK that does not do normal damage. My crafted motors are 24-37 damage and a touch slower. Looks like you got exactly what you should have to me.
Siymon
Mon May 17, 2004 11:42 am
#13
They are not Nym vibro motors. They are lightweight Vibromotors and well crafted ones too. You got exactly what you asked for. What you failed to realize here is that these are not enhancments but replacments for the vibro unit. They are faster and have lower ham costs but at a cost to damage.
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