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johnautry613

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:46 am

I am seeing a few diffrent posts in this forum about how the Anti Decay kit is the end of business.

I am confused by this statement.

This really wont change the sales velocity for us that much on really 'good' weapons as it is. A really good weapon is usually held in reserve so as not to hurt the item. Now this will allow us to focus on ramping up our goods so as to keep and create better weapons.

Help me see what the concern others of youy are seeing?

Lazurk Autry
12 Point Weaponsmith
Vendor Lazurk's Grenades
Lazurk's Forge
BarterTown Trading Post, Tatooine.
(-1850, -4900)

Weasel-Master

Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:48 am

#2

johnautry613 wrote:

I am seeing a few diffrent posts in this forum about how the Anti Decay kit is the end of business.

I am confused by this statement.

This really wont change the sales velocity for us that much on really 'good' weapons as it is. A really good weapon is usually held in reserve so as not to hurt the item. Now this will allow us to focus on ramping up our goods so as to keep and create better weapons.

Help me see what the concern others of youy are seeing?

Example....

My name is Average Joe master WS on server X. I am not a high volume WS, I do not make large amounts of credits and do not have the backing of a huge 80 + memebr guild who can supply me with high end compents from Acklay and Krayts to make really really nice weapons. I do however make a modest amoung of credits and profit by selling good standard weapons to repeat customers who use my weapons for mid range hunting, FP farming and or FS grinding.

Now add in anti decay kits.

My name was Average Joe master WS, I no longer have any repeat business as my usual customers don't need to buy another grinding / everyday weapon as they can now use their uber ones without losing condition and grind faster / do what ever it is they do without the need to buy replacements. My steady trade and small business has been nuked. I have decided that this game is no longer for me as a casual crafter as people no longer require to use my services

Do you see where the problem lies now ? Think about architects and the intolerable treatment they have had to endure reagrding their profession and no decay. Remember when this game was new and architects were doing good trade everyone wanted houses/harvestors/furniture etc, but once they got them the architect's days were numbered. It started small and grew to the monster it is today. If we are not careful the same could happen here

Eagles Soar but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines

ana-mo-cara

Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:52 am

#3

Legendary and exceptional loot weapons. These are weapons far in advance of anything a crafter could make in a million years. Stuff you like 3k max damage T21s.

Most players will only use one weapon anyway. A bounty hunter that hunts creatures for example will only use a llc ninety percent of the time. Infinite life means no new llcs need be bought.

The problem is that weaponsmiths depend on return business. We need players to come buy replacement gear for when something has finally decayed completely. This is ninety nine percent of a weaponsmiths business. Without it a weaponsmith cannot generate signifigant profit.

So even if these kits decrease sales by 30 percent across the board. We can expect that this will do alot of harm to weaponsmiths. P.S. this is a generous point of view. With one kit my bh can now go for months without buying new weapons. All I need do is rely heavy on one weapon. My personal fealings is it will reduce sales by 60 percent. That means some weaponsmiths will be forced to quit weaponsmithing, and before you smile you may be one of those smiths that loses out.

BruSwillis

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:02 am

#4

Weasel-Master wrote:

Now add in anti decay kits.

My name was Average Joe master WS, I no longer have any repeat business as my usual customers don't need to buy another grinding / everyday weapon as they can now use their uber ones without losing condition and grind faster / do what ever it is they do without the need to buy replacements. My steady trade and small business has been nuked. I have decided that this game is no longer for me as a casual crafter as people no longer require to use my services

This is the worst arguement yet. 99% of all the people who have these kits and are using them on weapons (not all are, many are using them on AA skill plated armour/clothing etc) are using them on their very best weapons. Maybe the odd couple will use them on grinding weapons but this number will be so small it will not make any noticable effect on anyones weapon sales.

Allready it is VERY apparant that peoples Jedi will use these on their sabers to protect their expensive pearls and crystals.

Added to the fact that come the CU all weapons will be viable and many new weapons are being added. This is a typical scream about nothing and the greedy are scaremongering.

_____BruMasterUnderworldSmuggler.
___________Toth'raRebelBothanSpy.

BruSwillis

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:08 am

#5

ana-mo-cara wrote:

Most players will only use one weapon anyway. A bounty hunter that hunts creatures for example will only use a llc ninety percent of the time. Infinite life means no new llcs need be bought.

With one kit my bh can now go for months without buying new weapons. All I need do is rely heavy on one weapon. My personal fealings is it will reduce sales by 60 percent. That means some weaponsmiths will be forced to quit weaponsmithing, and before you smile you may be one of those smiths that loses out.

Here we go.
My alt is a BH and I use an array of Pistols, LLC and variuos Carbines. I will equipt my No Decay kit on my best/favourite weapon after the CU but will still need to replace the many weapons I use on a daily basis. Using a BH is probably the worst example you could have used. Seems straw clutching is in order with this topic.

_____BruMasterUnderworldSmuggler.
___________Toth'raRebelBothanSpy.

Weasel-Master

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:13 am

#6

BruSwillis wrote:

Weasel-Master wrote:

Now add in anti decay kits.

My name was Average Joe master WS, I no longer have any repeat business as my usual customers don't need to buy another grinding / everyday weapon as they can now use their uber ones without losing condition and grind faster / do what ever it is they do without the need to buy replacements. My steady trade and small business has been nuked. I have decided that this game is no longer for me as a casual crafter as people no longer require to use my services

This is the worst arguement yet. 99% of all the people who have these kits and are using them on weapons (not all are, many are using them on AA skill plated armour/clothing etc) are using them on their very best weapons. Maybe the odd couple will use them on grinding weapons but this number will be so small it will not make any noticable effect on anyones weapon sales.

Allready it is VERY apparant that peoples Jedi will use these on their sabers to protect their expensive pearls and crystals.

Added to the fact that come the CU all weapons will be viable and many new weapons are being added. This is a typical scream about nothing and the greedy are scaremongering.

refering to highlighted text......

The fact that the ADKs are salvageable after they have been attached to a weapon means anyone and everyone with a functional brain cell will be using them.

FS grinder (non nader of course) buys a mid range acklay PH, for arguments sake lets say it was 640 max damage one. Attached the ADK and voila they can grind till they reach Jedi initiate without the need for ever replacing the weapon. Weapon gets deleted, ADK retrieved attached to saber, rinse and repeat. Yes this is an issue to any WS who doesn't have....

1. The backing of a huge guild who can get them all the uber loots they need to make high end weapons

2. Relies on steady sales of regular weapons to grinders of FS XP, FP or mid range hunters (rangers for example).

Personally for me it is not an issue as I can enlist the help of my guild anytime I need to go get nice loot, but not all WS have this luxury. A low volume WS from a small guild is basically finished by this as he can never hope to get steady enough repeat business to make his WS business fiscally viable in game. He might drop WS take up a combat prof and still be in the same position as he then has to compete in the combat arena with people who have uber weapons which will never ever be removed due to natural atrition and decay. Net result = 1 less customer for SOE. Now multiply this a few 100 times and do the math.

I'll get 1 stared to the stoneage by all the l33t script kiddie wanna be uber powergamers who have these high end weapons and that proves my point. SOE will start losing it's bread and butter customers over shoddy implementations like this.

Eagles Soar but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines

johnautry613

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:18 am

#7

BruSwillis wrote:

Here we go.
My alt is a BH and I use an array of Pistols, LLC and variuos Carbines. I will equipt my No Decay kit on my best/favourite weapon after the CU but will still need to replace the many weapons I use on a daily basis. Using a BH is probably the worst example you could have used. Seems straw clutching is in order with this topic.

When you factor in the fact that

1. IT will only cover one weapon, and will kill the weapon if removed

2. Check out todays Friday feature. This is a GREAT time to be a smith.

Lazurk Autry
12 Point Weaponsmith
Vendor Lazurk's Grenades
Lazurk's Forge
BarterTown Trading Post, Tatooine.
(-1850, -4900)

Weasel-Master

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:29 am

#8

johnautry613 wrote:

BruSwillis wrote:

Here we go.
My alt is a BH and I use an array of Pistols, LLC and variuos Carbines. I will equipt my No Decay kit on my best/favourite weapon after the CU but will still need to replace the many weapons I use on a daily basis. Using a BH is probably the worst example you could have used. Seems straw clutching is in order with this topic.

When you factor in the fact that

1. IT will only cover one weapon, and will kill the weapon if removed

2. Check out todays Friday feature. This is a GREAT time to be a smith.

Correction to this statement is - it will possible be a great time to be a smith after the CURB. If the vast chasm that currently exists between legendary/exceptional and crafted inclduing the new weaps, why will anyone bother buying the new ones other than for show.

Although I will be the 1st to admit that Massassi Ink riffle looks pretty sweet

Eagles Soar but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines

SeaRaptor

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:00 pm

#9

EdOWar wrote:

JtL wasn't the end of the world for weaponsmiths, and neither will ADKs.

While I agree that it isn't the "end of the world" for WS, I do feel that the impact of something like this wasn't fully appreciated before it was pushed to live. Let's be honest, if we had all known that you could delete an item you'd put a kit on and you'd get the kit back, we'd have raised holy hell.

I suppose that's my biggest annoyance with the implementation of this item. Its usage wasn't explained well enough before it went live in order for us to raise our (valid) concerns to its impact. That's probably where most of MY frustration is anyway.

Felton Kel
Master Weaponsmith, FelKel LTD Weaponsmiths
Old weaponsmiths never die, they buy a planet and retire in luxury.
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cerVantes77

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:16 pm

#10

Well I think people are feeling the after effects of the Krayt boom too, I know that my Krayt weapon sales are already down quite a bit and tissues are flying all over the place. Making enhanced krayt weapons, no longer has the appeal as doing something special any longer either. Its like yay more krayt tissue here is another krayt weapon. All this on top of the Anti Decay Kits can be viewed in positive or negative terms depending on how you look at it.

I personally look at it negatively because I liked making rare weapons now there isn't anything rare or special about it anymore. The decay kits will effect people...just think ok a customer buys a 3 million credit Jawa Ion Rifle thats 400 max well he's going to use his decay kit on this item until he finds one better then, when he finds a better one he's buy it and destroy the last one. Either way there is a large space in time that he will not come back to visit and buy another Krayt Jawa if I don't make one bigger and badder everytime.

Put those two factors on top of the free resources and you have 3 direct shots at weaponsmith. I have saved spent searched and begged for the best resources ever spawned to make top notch enhanced weapons...Well now here comes jim bob he just mastered weaponsmith and he can get these resources free from SWG in a nice stack 30k. Where is the rarity and uniqueness to the profession, in a perfect little game world I guess we should all be on equal ground but I tend to get pissed when all my studying,hardwork and credits give me no more advantage over the smith who can claim any resource and gettissue now anytimehe wants....Sorry guess i'm just selfish.

Message Edited by cerVantes77 on 02-11-2005 03:23 PM

ana-mo-cara

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:41 pm

#11

While I personally think it was idiotic implimintation. I will fess up I got on today and bout 1 for 4million credits, and If i can find another seller I will buy another. I have two accounts so i get two of these. Drumrole please I am hopeing to have four. While I cannot afford to buy enough to totally deck me out.

I can now cover my llc scatter pistol a laser rifle, and perhaps a nym slug thrower never went and got one of those, and switch up if I get my hands on more uber along the way.

I think the devs have missed things like alternate accounts owned by one player. Especially if the alt is a crafter who dosent need the kit anyway.

By the way my BH analogy is the best sure I could point out pistoleer de10, but i did not I pointed out a profession that should be contrary a BH. I personally use my llc almost excluseively. You know what else I hardly care about the resists unless they are high I simply cut my way through with the overwhelming multipliers most of the time.

Muzz

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:04 pm

#12

Combine the fact that Krayt weapons are now falling out of everyone's backpacks (I had a /tell the other day, along the lines of 'I have mailed you a list of krayt weapons I need made, have offered the tissues to your vendor.... there were two backpacks with 88 tissues all above base, jeez just WTH are SOE thinking) with the fact that Swordies only really need a PH to handle most things in game and this is a valid concern.

I don't buy the 'it'll be okay after the revamp' comments. The revamp is likely months away, it's the effect until then that worries me, along with the fact that uber looted legendary/exceptional weapons can now be moved around guilds for all members to use without fear of them breaking that really concerns me.

Rotate the weapons amongst guildees, take turns camping high-end static spawns etc etc etc. By the time the revamp arrives it'll be too late.

Orgama

Weaponsmith (12pt), Artisan (14pt), Merchant, Force Crafting Master

ludio ludius utpote 2003, in pello utpote 11/2005

ForceFielding

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:13 pm

#13

There will be plenty of ADK's floating around ... its definitaly not "in the hands of a few" as one poster tried to minimize it.

I go through alot of guns, crates of T21's as a rifle/ranger who grinds animals on every planet. I have like 30 T21's that i keep in storage and i divide into 3 levels of slices, and find a use for every sliced T21. I use a T21 90% of the time while hunting ... Now I'll just pop a ADK on my best T21 and maybe buy like 3 more T21's during the course of the year 2005 (only if they are better than my current gun)

Combat Upgrade? Well ill prolly already have a couple ADK's by then, and if i need to buy more I will do so. I got the cash because I use my gun so much.

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