Weaponsmith Archive
Thread: Seem like your not making money sometimes??
and yea im in rather the same state tough cannot really tell, spending so much cash on lotsa other things hehe...
Moebius01 wrote:
Hey all!
I picked up WS to complimentmy Chef biz and for a new challenge. Now, it has definitely delivered on being challenging... but one thing it almost sems as if it's not delivering on is profit.
Now I'm not ALL about the credits... but it's nice to reap the rewards from dropping so much money on resources and exp tapes to start out... and then continuing to pay loads for the loot comps I need (cells, scopes, tissues, shards, cubes, agents, etc etc...)... and therein lies the problem I think. Say I crack out 8-9mil for a stack of nice cells... make a few guns...they sell and I'm happy. But I have to consistently bebuying CELLS or barrels or schematics or any number of freaking enhancements... so my bank balance goes UP... down... up... down... IN fact it seems to be simply... sitting there... NEVER getting much higher than it usually is. I feel like I'm just maintaining homeostasis.
With all the constant buying of things...I feel like I'm not making much gain. Is this common? Any ways other than simply relying on handouts to get around it? Kind of frustrating...
Well first of all 8-9 mills for a stack of cells sounds awefully expensive, but I dont know your servers economy so it might be standard at chilastra, at my server however the really good ones tend to go for around 4mill a stack.
To get a steady stream of credits you make unenhanced weapons. Its not a big earner, but if you are nicely stocked then you will have a steady income once people realize you have a good vendor 
The real credits are in the enhaned weapons business however, bu tyou will need to make huge investments. Just make sure you chrage more thanyou use and you will earn good credits. Follow prices on your trade forum. If the Enhanced weapon prices are so low you cant get your credits back from using enhancers, ten stop buying enhancers the price will adjust accordingly
Well, WE can start by NOT buying out every cell auction seconds after they are posted! I know I speak of an impossible utopia because there is always some one with hundreds of millions of credits who who doesnt care and will pay those rediculous buyout prices, but we should set the price of these things, not the BHs, and on the forums, you Moby as well as a few others are constantly buying things out intantly when they are posted. My point, is that WS need to unite and not pay the rediculous prices. If they arent getting the prices they want, they will sell at prices we like...Lol. Ok since hell isnt freezing over...
Some one else posted about Stettins tactics. I must have spent personally at lease 50million creds buying his guns for my toons. And not enhanced ones. The simple stock. I have come to stock my vendors with the very best Base weapons I can make. And dont rely on selling enhanced ones.
My best seller, oddly, is the Beam Rifle! Why is that?
Elian
Moebius01 wrote:
Hey all!
Say I crack out 8-9mil for a stack of nice cells... make a few guns...they sell and I'm happy. But I have to consistently bebuying CELLS or barrels or schematics or any number of freaking enhancements... so my bank balance goes UP... down... up... down... IN fact it seems to be simply... sitting there... NEVER getting much higher than it usually is. I feel like I'm just maintaining homeostasis.
With all the constant buying of things...I feel like I'm not making much gain. Is this common? Any ways other than simply relying on handouts to get around it? Kind of frustrating...
Therein lies the problem. You are biddingagainst players who are buying for themselves and would think nothing of dropping gobs of cash because they are envisioning a gun that is worth it to them. We have to think about the gun, yes, but also "will i be able to make a profit off that gun"?
More often than not, there is no way you could charge enough to make a profit, so you have to be selective in what you buy. If you see some lesser cells/casings/tissue that are going cheaply, you might want to buy them up if you KNOW you can turn those into a fine gun. It might not be UBER, but it can be profitable.
I've pretty much stopped buying enhancers off the auctions, I can't compete with the credits individual buyers are willing to pay. For the most part my High-end business is, "Hey, I got xxx loot, what kind of xxx can you make me?" I get good deals from guildies and some regular customers as well on enhancers, and do a fair amount of, "If you make me a gun with this loot, you can keep the extra parts.
I realize that at first it's secksi to make those UBER weaps, it's kind of like riding in a limo: fun to do ever now and again, but you'll go broke if you do it every day.
Akimaki wrote:
as i remember Stettin wrote somewhere he hadnt made most his money of making enhanced stuff and it must mean something
and yea im in rather the same state tough cannot really tell, spending so much cash on lotsa other things hehe...
That's true but I made a majority of my money from launch through just before the CU. I haven't had the time or patience to stock all of the low CL weapons, but have made a ton selling Laser Rifles, Elite Carbines and Scatter/FWG5 using pre-cu components. With the new EPC's & Reinforced Casings almost everyone is dropping their cash into buying components, making double capped weapons and ADK the suckers. My normal crafting charge of 25-75k is now 225k-250k for no WS buff, and 325k-350k for a WS buff. I had one guy pay me 500k to craft him a weapon on the spot. Normally I have a 1-2 day turnaround. I am seeing more cash now from custom weapons than sale of non enhanced. I haven't really been putting a lot of effort toward stocking the unenhanced though, so I can't say it's 100% the fault of the new loot, but you can't ignore the trend.
Also this is another reason why I have never really bought enhanced parts to sell enhanced weapons. I recently purchased about 8-10 casings to get myself a nice FWG5, got burned on an auction just last week on another set. I get lots of people that want to just pay me for an enhanced weapon & don't understand why I don't want to go out and buy parts. I tell them to go look for the parts and they'll find out why I don't want to do it. At this point in the game I just want to make cool weapons, not play ebay.
Message Edited by CorenLanra on 09-21-2005 04:48 PM
I don't have a huge bankroll, but enough to get me by just fine. I actually make more cash selling stacks of resources.
Now that I use tons of minerals I'm afraid I might SELL something I need down the line... so now instead I'msitting on30million units of resources!! heheh it's pretty surreal actually.
Moebius01 wrote:You know oddly enough selling excess resources is what I INTENDED to do when I started WS - I setup a 40+ harv field field and basically harvest whatever pops under it in largish quantities. I figured I'd keep what I could use and sell what I couldn't... only now I'm too paranoid to SELL it!
It is kinda crazy.. If I calculate how many 1st, 2nd and even 3rd best resources I have stockpiled, I could make weapons until they pulled the plug and never have to harvest again. Will I use those resources? probably not. I see people saying "Buying 5mil of XXX Resource", lets say diatium copper. Do you honestly think they will ever make 1,000,000 ABPH's? I gurantee they'll never sell that many guns no matter how long the game goes on. At a certain point though its more about trading resources then making weapons. If that's the case I shoulda abeen a miner and saved my skill points for something useful.