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Thread: My Testing has begun

Abbell
Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:28 pm
#1

I have been around a very long time. Which means I have large stockpiles of Data to work with. If any WS wants to join me on my server TC3(ahazi) I welcome them.


Data will be forthcomming



Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:02 am
#2


ok I am tired and will try to get more information... I just have raw notes and they are UGLY.


I am posting my scribbles so those who can makes sense of it understand... sorry to tired to do more.

btw the pistol I tested on I dont have conversion numbers but it was the best adv weapon in the mix to play with. FYI even with combat lvl 30 I could not use this without master marksman even though it is listed as lvl12 weapon...WTH?







odd notes
Text on bldgs is truncated vertically
no cond on vehicles or pets/droids


crafting
handlers
24% base


87% dmg
23-48
-.91


87% speed
dmg 17-43
-1.75


Adv Weapon scope
27% base
93% attack sp .124
weight&acc 41% 8
wound 27% 5


27% w&a 5
W 93% 18
Sp 41% 1.17


93% w&a 8
W 27% 5
sp 48% 1.035


ADV BPB
23% base
86% dmg 23-48
23% eff
47% speed -.95


47% dmg 18-43
23% eff
86% speed -1.73


conver
20-45 -1.2
approx
67%
23%
64%


DL44 metal pistol
Warning max wound is 15.57% reducing to 10.35%
base 28%
using converted abph and abpb
97% dmg 171-351
28% eff 107
42% speed 2.0
DPS 130.69


50% dmg 142-320
28% eff 107
97% speed 1.73
dps 133.53
warning attack speed 1.72 converted to 1.73


all dmg new components
97% dmg 174-355
44% eff 110
28% speed 2.17
dps 121.7


all speed components (stopping at 1.73 max speed)
80% 147-330
28% 117
65% 1.78
dps 133.9


Using krayted abph lost points due to maxing dmg
max dmg for this weapon is 356.5
max speed is 1.73
max wound is 10.35%
This is max value achieved using base tissues
143-355
1.77
dps 140.65




Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

Willbaby
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:08 am
#3

n mind found the answer in your post , were getting screwed with conversion still so no point stockpiling components till the CU

ohh , try using components experimented for speed, in a weapon u experiment for damage aswell and note the dps if u could pls

Message Edited by Willbaby on 04-22-2005 02:12 AM




Alita'GSA
12pt Master(Very Bored) Weaponsmith.
[Alita']s Weapons - Imperial Outpost Talus @ Wp[-1960 2170]
Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:11 am
#4

ding ding ding!... I will find more info later



Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:40 am
#5

why me... I am dozing off and I spring out of bed with a thought.. it is just not right I tell you.


Converted handlers are molded based on theorectical max value of handlers... DUH. I have some pre-crated (no pun) 104 tissues that are now 22-60 -2.0... the algorith they use averages the value of the handler before it converts it. If I had to guess I would say that is the max value of ABPHs since 104 has to be far to high a number for it to average less. Even with diminishing values you wont get much higher even with +200 tissues.



Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:25 am
#6

figures... I get a TC right when I have a few long work days.


let me try to make some sense out if these numbers and bring up some points I have confirmed so far.


  • ADV Power handlers max value is 60max -2.0 (note especially for all converted Krayt ones)

  • All wepons have a theoretical max value for every stat ( wound being the lowest)

  • Speed is now more important than ever ( not many will be able to speed cap even with tapes)

  • The best non crafted Tissues will only help you achieve max DPs value overall ( ie max dmg and speed) and are useless if you try to use a high end tissue in a weapon that has a high base crafting ( ie 23-30%)

  • If you go over max value you lose any excess over that amount (ie maxed dmg to 366 and it eas corrected to 356.5 extra IS LOST)

  • Weapons stocks have illegal values because they are not supposed to have dmg (may or may not be fixed)

  • still testing but scopes are useless (see wound max value in notes)

  • new stocks are useless so far..still testing

  • All weapons are about DPS and with this new system all weapons will not go above that DPS even across types. I will have to do alot more work to find the absolute max value.

that is it for now..still going to try to get more crafting done before I lose TC.Ahazi.




Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:26 am
#7

oh and did I forget to mention that powerups do max and speed? Woot!!!.. well until you see the %'s 4% max and 7% speed if I remember right.



Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

ShugFlurry
Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:31 am
#8

all ABPH are same stat after CU?



Shug
12pt Master WeaponSmith Master Force Crafter
-843 2827 Dantooine, Mining Outpost
Abbell
Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:39 am
#9






ShugFlurry wrote:
all ABPH are same stat after CU?






All have a max value potential that is way to close to crafted.


crafting
handlers
24% base


87% dmg
23-48
-.91


87% speed
dmg 17-43
-1.75


you see given a base value of 24% I can craft up to 87% of max in any line throwing the extra points into the other...


converted handlers are around this value
20-45 -1.2
approx
67%
23%
64%


All I have to do to max out the handler is use a base tissue..pretty sad really.



edit I mean to hit max crafted values... you can still go higher, but then you hit cap on weapon



I really need to get that DL44 that I made close to max DPS sliced to verify how bad the slice will be due to cap.

Message Edited by Abbell on 04-22-2005 10:45 AM



Dex're Abbell
Master Weaponsmith
N Master Resource Gatherer
Kin-Tek Outlet R -5387 5323 Theed

ShugFlurry
Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:42 am
#10




Shug
12pt Master WeaponSmith Master Force Crafter
-843 2827 Dantooine, Mining Outpost
HoopR
Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:19 pm
#11

If any of you are interested, i've been doing some testing and comparisons and placed them in a post on the TC3-Ahazi Weapon Conversion forums, comparing pre-converted vs. converted vs. newly-crafted. I have absolutely no skills whatsoever with a clicky, but the latest post may be found here:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=convtest&message.id=1810#M1810



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Vade_WS
Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:25 pm
#12

Clicky

Good information. Thanks!

Message Edited by Vade_WS on 04-22-2005 07:35 PM




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CorenLanra
Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:46 pm
#13



Abbell wrote:
figures... I get a TC right when I have a few long work days.
let me try to make some sense out if these numbers and bring up some points I have confirmed so far.
  • ADV Power handlers max value is 60max -2.0 (note especially for all converted Krayt ones)
  • All wepons have a theoretical max value for every stat ( wound being the lowest)
  • Speed is now more important than ever ( not many will be able to speed cap even with tapes)
  • The best non crafted Tissues will only help you achieve max DPs value overall ( ie max dmg and speed) and are useless if you try to use a high end tissue in a weapon that has a high base crafting ( ie 23-30%)
  • If you go over max value you lose any excess over that amount (ie maxed dmg to 366 and it eas corrected to 356.5 extra IS LOST)
  • Weapons stocks have illegal values because they are not supposed to have dmg (may or may not be fixed)
  • still testing but scopes are useless (see wound max value in notes)
  • new stocks are useless so far..still testing
  • All weapons are about DPS and with this new system all weapons will not go above that DPS even across types. I will have to do alot more work to find the absolute max value.

that is it for now..still going to try to get more crafting done before I lose TC.Ahazi.






60max -2.0 is the total cap? If this is the case they changed something from when TC-chilly was active.. I found the following..

issue #1: Converted from 21-82 -.99 (approx 40dmg tissue -57 speed used) Final stats 23-53 -2.0

Tissue #2: Crafted POST CU, Tissue was 57 -.51, Final stats 19-102dmg -1.98 speed 4ActionCost

Conclusion: Using tissues with only 17 greater dmg POST CU, the ABPH is nearly 50 damage GREATER than one crafted and made into a factory run PRE CU. This cannot be working as intended as many smiths craft their tissues immediately to store in output hoppers because we simply do not have the lots to store all of our loot.

If they changed caps I'd like to know



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