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Thread: Brawler correspondant not acting in a professional manner....
Has anyone else seen the current thread of TKA being overpowered on the discussion board? The brawler correspondant has happily joined into this thread, and stating that his main character is a TKA, he proceeds to boast of his overpowered abilites. He speaks of being able to solo krayts, and offers images to prove such..( even though its been stated by devs that krayts were increased in power/ham, because many classes could solo them. He then returns and say, he could at one time, but maybe not now..witht he change back to the current "live" ham system.
I cant refute his statements, I dont have the knowledge to do so at this point. But I can say that his joining into a public discussion, that in essence is a thread that singles out the TKA class as being overpowered, and his subsequent joining in to offer "proof" that this may be the case..seems to be un-professional towards the title of correspondant. Shouldnt he be discussing these things with the TKA correspondant, or TH and all the other correspondants on their "private' boards? He does make some small statements as to he cant say that we are overpowered..but he offers to demonstrate for anyone who wishes to see, how he can solo a krayt on TC, and about our abilites "seeming" overpowered in certain areas...whic in effect is supporting this "TKA are overpowered" thread.
Just seems out of place and just plain wrong fro him to even get involved in such a discussion..as his title will no doubt make others feel that what he is saying is fact, rather than conjecture, or assumptions....Whochose this guy to speak on behalf of TKA...and in such a negative way....?
All I can say is this. If the TKA community is silent on this now, when we get a nerf don't anyone say a word. Not a WORD. I am saving these threads, and I will be sure to remind anyone who complains later that while the brawler correspondent was running around trying to get us nerfed, with not a shred of actual proof to back up what he says, the TKA community was silent.
And thanks to JarellSecura to caring about our class enough to speak out.
please post a link to the thread for those too lazy/busy to go searching through the discussion forum 
thanks
Hogwash. It is there for anyone to go read.
StGabriel wrote:
Hello. =) I am not "nerf-calling" in that thread. StGabe.
I'm sure the Devs know this and nothing will change dramatically because of it but we also don't appreciate the ramifications of your statements with the community.
MilkToast wrote:
The correspondant's post was in reference to the build on the test server with the new HAM system changes (which have since been removed). This has nothing to do with TKAs on the production servers.
You are taking the post completely out of context - this is a NON-ISSUE.
Actually, you are severly incorrect. the post was in regards to TKA being "overpowered". The correspondant joined into this thread, using examples of his "power" to solo a krayt. He was not reffering at all, nor does he make mention of the "new" ham system on test..( which was removed to do balancing). He makes a case for TKA being overpowered, though climing to not be doing so. He only makes mention of the new ham system after what he siad was challenged...and even then siad that he could still do it..with better armor or spices. His post was in no way shape or form one that was "discussing" the new ham system changes and their effectiveness for the melee class. He stated, in several post in the same thread, that the TKA class may be overpowered...and heavily offers misleading "facts" to allow readers to make their own conclusion.
It was poorly done, and not very "professional" of him.
though, he says hes just being "brutally honest". And that he believe their are those who are obscurring the factof our ( TKA) abilities.
/agree with dashida
That thread is 'ablaze' right now. I thought it was posted just to stir up commotion and discord and ignored it until StGabe posted.
Since he posted I felt obliged to read and post as well.
Correspondents opinions are heard above all others on the boards. I think it's the pretty blue name of theirs that draws me to it 
All I did was make some true statements about things that TKA are capable of. TKA's do take 2.3 times less melee damage than people without melee toughness (2.6 with master brawler). VK's at TKM do deal 3.5 times more damage than the comparable AP1 fencer weapon (and twice as much damage as the AP0 gaderiffi baton). They are essentially equivalent to 300-440 damage weapons at 2.2 speed. They are capable of spamming specials at 1s each and do have relatively low HAM costs compared to other melee weapons. Even barefisted they do 250-260 damage which is a higher minimum damage than the maximum damage of any fencer weapon, and at a lower HAM cost than just about any weapon in the game. I can kill a huurton stalker in 18s for 5k xps, and could do so before this patch, at very little loss of HAM's and without using any brawler skills. Basically all this required of me was power techniques 2. If I can't take a 50k HAM krayt under the old HAM system then it will at least be a very close fight (unfortunately I won't have time to try this again tonight) and I will be relying very heavily on my TKA abilities to do so.
I stated several times that I was not trying to make any statements about whether TKA's were overpowered and even said I disagreed with the original posters characterization of this. I don't know what else I should say, no matter what I do you will need to construe it as a "nerf call" simply because I am not willing to hide experiences and pieces of information I have that might be used to show that TKA's are actually quite powerful in several contexts.
But do, go on, continue the character attacks, and make me out to be a bad, bad man simply because I give out some information that might be deemed harmful to some (even though it is correct). I will go back to trying to prevent a huge nerf on melee damage to those holding heavy weapons, rifles, etc. =)
StGabe.
Yes, but it just got yanked.
It was too much. It's a good thing it didn't hit live because, as much as I enjoyed having all that power (I solo'ed giant kimos and juvenile krayts without buffs, both having been bumped to 50k HAM's this patch), there's no way it could have been left in as it was.
I am glad they are thinking about HAM usage and are trying out things. This attempt was too much however. They're on the right track though and hopefully we'll see some other changes soon.
I feel I made the context very clear. =)
StGabe.
StGabriel wrote:
Hello. =)
I am not anti-TKA, I have simply stated several examples of things that I know that TKA's are capable of. I am a firm advocate of all brawler elite professions as well as well the novice brawler profession. I would hope that MisterHeavy can back me up on this point. As an example I am currently going to bat on several impacts of the new damage system that I feel are negative for brawlers in general.
All the same I will always strive to give objective statements regarding my experiences of the game. I have offered these in the thread that has been mentioned. I did mention the affect of the HAM changes and their affect on my performance (although this must be tempered with the fact that the krayts and giant kimos I have solo'ed have had their HAMs increased to 50k).
It would be unprofessional of me not to state my experiences. As I state in my latest reply to that thread, I find that I am able to do my job best simply by being frank and brutally honest at all turns. It lends me the credibility I need when it is time to get something done.
Note that far from what my detractors are saying of me, I am not "nerf-calling" in that thread. I am simply offering a counterpoint to what I think are some evasions regarding the power that TKA's do wield.
StGabe.
When a man does not face up to what he has done..he totally loses all respect or honor.
You provided no "counter-points" in your post..as the thread was talking about TKA being overpowered already, and your subsequent posts further added credibility to this claim, even though your "facts" were quite skewed. You did not mention the fact about TC HAM system changes until after the fact...and even then quickly retorted that if there were better armor or foods on Tc, you could still do it.
Every statement made by you in regards the power of TKA was one that helped to fuel the debate of TKA being overpowered. At no point did you explain that being a Master Brawler lends much to YOUR paticular ability. Nor did you provide "counter-points" that detailed the shortcomings/penalties of the TKA class as well as your supposed facts of our wileded Power.
Great that you are going to bat for such things as stated. again you are commended. BUT, none of this erases the fact of what you allowed yourself to put out into a public thread that ws, by its very title, calling for a "change" to ur class.
In my country, what you have done would be a cause for being dishonored. Allowing ones tongue to lead ones mind, always leads to mispoken words. Not that it matters to you, nor that it should, but you have zero credibility wioth me, and I have little respect for you coming in here to make what you did appear to be otherwise. ( but fortunatley for you, you have an ability to obviously edit your posts..as noted in one on the thread...so maybe you will attempt to cover it better there).
You know as a correspondant..i would hope the biggest lobby work would be for upping other professions such as Pikeman who sorely need some loving from the developers. Joining a thread that clearly states that TK is overpowered and lending whatever arguments to them gives clear credence to the nerf callers. They then feel justified in saying a correspondant is backing them up and that it "must" be true.
Melee players are supposed to be the tanks of the game...SOE is making moves to finally let that happen but players crying nerf are going to be the death of a TKA being a tank. Lets fix our melee brethren instead of crying nerf all the time.
I did say that I disagreed with the topic of the thread, didn't I? Specifically I disagreed with the notion that this was for any of us to decide.
But I guess that doesn't count.
StGabe.
Message Edited by StGabriel on 12-02-2003 02:18 PM
Gabe not to call you a liar but (well I guess I am) but what kind of cred does a Screeshot of you infront of a dead Kimo give with the HUD turned off mean. In my opinion that did not hold much water either do these claims that your soloing Krayts. Plz define solo for me b/c solo to me is by myself no pets no healers around to help and doing it with just my TK skills. In the same fact ive read post after post of Swordsman doing it and I can see that b/c they get med AP with 600+ damage wepscompared to our 150+ VK's with light AP. Also as far as pvp is concerned it is quite simple MOVE and melee is useless. As far as the other melee go I dont care who you are if your a TKM and you go against a master Fencer = Dead TKM. People solely base overpowered on how many of a class there is, theres not alot of the other melee classes but I personally have and am playing all the types and I can tell you this breakdown. If I wanted pure solo whatever mob I want in the game I would play Swordsman, If I wanted to be able to dodge every shot coming at me I would be a fencer. However I like TK b/c of what it is and thats why I choose it, make TK master Brawler required if it will shut up all the naysayers I dont care. I will continue to play the class that makes me happy and if they change that class in a way I dont see fit then /cancel to this game. Ive played a BH (talk about overpowered) MCH (see BH) and TK is the one for me. Also please do relize if your a Team Lead dont go spewing out unthought out remarks or pulling screenshots of NO HUD and posting them.