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Thread: An idea I consider excellent for the new type of damage VK.

Tarak_Rexus
Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:53 pm
#1

Stun. Yes, you read it... Stun. Don't Riflemans just spam Headshot 3 with Jawa Rifle (Stun damage) (seeing as there is no high protection against it, not even composite offers over 50% for it). I must say though that people would probablyignore the Kinetic VK's and only have Stun ones. Perhaps there should be a VK that can only beachieved by looting the schematic for it(like the Geonosian Pistol) and eventually making a weapon out of it and then selling it.
And also, don't you realize how easy it would be to just make that little VK poisonous or disease-inflicting? I see tons, and I repeat, TONS of options for the damage type. Developers, you better not ignore all these requests. People are beginning to feel hope (and some are already filled with it) for a little revolution inside this wonderful martial profession.




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Taigei
Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:41 pm
#2

I hate it when Imps do things that make me like them.
Draccuss
Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:14 pm
#3

Are you freakin nuts? There is NO WAY the Devs will give us stun VK. We do a great deal of DPS as it is but with stun VK we would be even greater in PvP than we already are. I do agree the we should get at least one other damage type but asking for stun is just being greedy.


Quite simply, getting stun VKs is the fastest path to getting TKA nerfed!! People complain about us being too overpowered as it is, imagine how bad the whiners will cry if we had the only damage type that punched through comp.





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Taigei
Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:33 pm
#4

Woohoo! I don't like imps again!


Just kidding. You got a point about whiners and nerf criers, Drac, but I think it's a shrewd suggestion, in regards to your point about Comp armor, in that it exploits a relative weakness in the armor. It's not really upping TK damage output, it's just putting it in a different place which makes us rethink our over-dependence on Comp armor. Isn't that how it goes? Find an offense that beats a defense, find a defense to beat the offense?


You may know better than I do about PvP player reaction, so what do you think would be a good alt damage type?
jibberjabberfp
Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:38 pm
#5

I would settle for some heat and energy VKs. Just for a little selection. I could only imagine the slaughter with stun VKs... however im going to have a stun pistol for my pistoleer, so why not? if its way to badd@ss, then lower the damage on a stun VK. Bet it won't happen tho
Draccuss
Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:03 pm
#6






Taigei wrote:

Woohoo! I don't like imps again!


Just kidding. You got a point about whiners and nerf criers, Drac, but I think it's a shrewd suggestion, in regards to your point about Comp armor, in that it exploits a relative weakness in the armor. It's not really upping TK damage output, it's just putting it in a different place which makes us rethink our over-dependence on Comp armor. Isn't that how it goes? Find an offense that beats a defense, find a defense to beat the offense?


You may know better than I do about PvP player reaction, so what do you think would be a good alt damage type?





Thanks! I know that it doesn't up TK damage output under normal circumstances (for instance PvE) but we are talking about a set of stun VKs that can punch through Composite armor. We all know how well TKAs do in PvP right now even against fully comp'ed opponents, now imagine what our damage output would be against that same opponent if we had a set of VKs that can do stun damage. That is where our damage output would be much higher. I am simply referring to PvP only. I agree with you about the armor point and that could bring up a whole other discussion. I really think that we need much more variety in armor.


I would love some other damage type for VKs but mainly for PvE purposes. Heat or energy would be fine with me. I was thinking electricity would be cool too.





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Ostisc
Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:10 pm
#7

I just want some blast damage, but i would settle for heat. AND DREAM OF STUN!!!!!!!!



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Draccuss
Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:22 pm
#8

I dream of energy for those nightsister elders!!



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Tarak_Rexus
Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:31 pm
#9


Why isn't Rifleman being nerfed if it has Stun? Why isn't Pistoleer too? Face the fact that we TK's cannot rely on Kinetic, most things have protection against that, and damn good too... I was kicking the ass of dark side users in the Force Crystal cave until a force crystal hunter pops up and makes me stop by to kick his ass for ten whole minutes. ok, so he had 80% on everything except restraint, I guess the cave is for groups...
Anyway, Heat isn't such a very good idea, lots of stuff have protection against that... how the heck would you go about inflicting heat anyway? I would suggest Blast, (even though it may render Swordsman totally useless) Electricity (it is possible) or... hmm... Restraint? What the heck is that anyway?

I dunno, I'm out of ideas...



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Taigei
Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:54 pm
#10

Me and two other TKMs went buffed, armored up and cleared those caves a few days ago, and I'll chalk it up to incredibly good pulling by one of the members, and those 80% resists were tough buggers. That makes me think, though, I really enjoy tough challenges like that with battle that take minutes instead of seconds, and 80% resist is tough enough. That's kinda swaying me over to the idea that maybe we should be asking for a cap on resists.


I'll put it this way: If we have an alternate damage type, then there's going to much less challenge in the universe, whereas if get a cap on resists or something that allows to cut through some the Kinetic resists by even 10%, we don't eliminate the challenges out there, but we do get a shot at the impossibles.

Draccuss
Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:03 pm
#11


Hey man I am a rifleman and I don't agree that they should have stun either!! Well let me rephrase that, I absolutely hate the fact that the best armor out there has but one vulnerability yet there are only a few professions that can exploit it. That really isn't fair for everyone else and really that is what this problem is based on. The best way to fix that is to create an armor (or change comp) that has perhaps lower resists but vulerable to nothing. This alone would make PvP more challenging and enjoyable as far as I am concerned. Let people earn their kills with their best weapon regardless of damage type instead of just using a weakness in almost everyone's armor.


I agree 100% that we shouldn't have to rely solely on kinetic. To me that is as bad as the armor problem. Like I said I would love to see energy. I know it sounds stupid, having energy VKs just as much as having heat VKs but hey it can't be any worse than some of the weapons out there! **thinking of the Nyms Slugthrower that looks and sounds like a machine gun but does acid damage**


Don't get me wrong I would probably have an instant orgasim if they gave us stun VKs especially since I am also a rifleman but I seriously think that would cause us a ton more grief than it is really worth. Seriously read how many posts we get in this forum alone of people crying for nerfs and that is with us doing kinetic damage only! The forums would probably die with flooding shortly after the anouncement of us getting stun!!


**Edit for typo**

Message Edited by Draccuss on 04-08-2004 11:10 PM



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KaiRan
Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:05 pm
#12

Stun Gauntlets (not VKs) are already in the continuity. Poisioning VKs isn't too far fetched, but at least there is a precedence set with an "unarmed" weapon dealing Stun damage.



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Tarak_Rexus
Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:54 pm
#13

Stun Gauntlets? Never heard of them, never seen them... are you sure they are going to be in game? Would be cool. I didn't exactly mean for TK to use VK's for everything, you CAN use electric gauntlets of some sort (or a VK), you can probably make all sorts of stuff up for TKs, makes sense...



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