Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: The new DB AI is a FOW nerf
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Duckfat
Thu May 06, 2004 2:01 pm
#1
I know that high level mobs should DB but it is pretty rediculous that they do it so fast that you dont even have a chance to use force of will. The devs stated that the high level mobs will DB more often but at least leave a little time for a TKA to have a chance to use FOW. I hunt NS with some friends and I am the tank since I am the only TKM. My friends are usually good about keeping me healed but every once in a while the NS will get in a good hit or something else happens that I get incapped. It used to be okay since the few times that happens (usually not more than once an hour) I can either FOW or they can hit me with a heal before I get DBd. Lately it seems that I get the incap message and DB message with the exact same timestamp. I mean my toon has not even hit the ground and Im already dead. If this is the way it is going to be then FOW has been nerfed to uselessness. Was there something wrong with the once an hour time limit that you had to make it completely unusable? Someone please tell me this is a bug that will be hot fixed asap.
Morphink
Thu May 06, 2004 2:06 pm
#2
I'm certain that this question will be one of the first out of the lips of our new TK correspondent. At least it will be if i am selected 
RunemonIV
Thu May 06, 2004 2:09 pm
#3
Duckfat wrote:
I know that high level mobs should DB but it is pretty rediculous that they do it so fast that you dont even have a chance to use force of will. The devs stated that the high level mobs will DB more often but at least leave a little time for a TKA to have a chance to use FOW. I hunt NS with some friends and I am the tank since I am the only TKM. My friends are usually good about keeping me healed but every once in a while the NS will get in a good hit or something else happens that I get incapped. It used to be okay since the few times that happens (usually not more than once an hour) I can either FOW or they can hit me with a heal before I get DBd. Lately it seems that I get the incap message and DB message with the exact same timestamp. I mean my toon has not even hit the ground and Im already dead. If this is the way it is going to be then FOW has been nerfed to uselessness. Was there something wrong with the once an hour time limit that you had to make it completely unusable? Someone please tell me this is a bug that will be hot fixed asap.
I think it all depends on how close the mob is to you, If you are fighting close up with a monster then probably not.. but if you were kited from a distance then you would still have the chance to get up
perhaps make FoW passive??
what do you think?
LordMaxx
Thu May 06, 2004 2:30 pm
#4
Not passive, because sometimes it would just be a bad idea to try and automatically kick you up...The chance of failure and the bad things that happen when it does makes me want to just stay on the ground if I only have a 15 second timer...
Azdraik
Thu May 06, 2004 3:03 pm
#5
Yep noticed that as well man. Fighting enhanced kwi's and unable to take food. Got mind incapped and db at exact same time.
Told my group np can use FoW incap db watched the rest die like flies....
-=scratches FoW as a reason the tk is uber off everyone's list=-
Someone is happy now....-=sigh=-
Message Edited by Azdraik on 05-08-2004 11:57 AM
Macoot
Thu May 06, 2004 3:36 pm
#6
Humm - To be honest FoW is an ability I try really hard NOT to have to use :-)
However I have noticed recently that I was deathblowed before I had chance to move my cursor over the icon to press it. I thin it would be useful if more people could post their (recent) experiances regarding this.
Duckfat
Thu May 06, 2004 5:12 pm
#7
LordMaxx wrote:
Not passive, because sometimes it would just be a bad idea to try and automatically kick you up...The chance of failure and the bad things that happen when it does makes me want to just stay on the ground if I only have a 15 second timer...
Yes we do not want to make it passive. Not only for the reason mentioned above but there are many mobs that do not db and I would not want to waste my FOW on the chance that one of them may incap me. In addition it would bea waste in PvP when you have docs doing area heals to waste it if you dont have to.
Duckfat
Thu May 06, 2004 5:15 pm
#8
Macoot wrote:
Humm - To be honest FoW is an ability I try really hard NOT to have to use :-)
However I have noticed recently that I was deathblowed before I had chance to move my cursor over the icon to press it. I thin it would be useful if more people could post their (recent) experiances regarding this.
Yeah I try not to use it as well but sometimes you get hit harder than you expect and it happens before you can get healed.
BTW please tell me that you do not use your mouse to use your hotkey skills.
JawaJoey2
Thu May 06, 2004 10:39 pm
#9
Higher level mobs should DB you quickly, and it's not a bad change, though it is stupid how the time between incap and db is very small sometimes. They should up it at least a second or two, so that life saving measures can be taken. But you should realize that Force of Will is a very unique high level skill, and it's a privalege for TKA's to use it. That means you don't automatically have the right to save yourself from death every single time you get incapped. Making it passive would turn it into just a "TKA's can't die" skill.
Macoot
Fri May 07, 2004 2:04 am
#10
=BTW please tell me that you do not use your mouse to use your hotkey skills=
With one hand over directional controls / targeting and one on the mouse I find it more efficient to use closely grouped icons rather than keyboard shortcuts.
Duckfat
Fri May 07, 2004 4:18 am
#11
JawaJoey2 wrote:
Higher level mobs should DB you quickly, and it's not a bad change, though it is stupid how the time between incap and db is very small sometimes. They should up it at least a second or two, so that life saving measures can be taken. But you should realize that Force of Will is a very unique high level skill, and it's a privalege for TKA's to use it. That means you don't automatically have the right to save yourself from death every single time you get incapped. Making it passive would turn it into just a "TKA's can't die" skill.
May just be understatement of the year. Right now every incap from any red con aggro mob has been insta-db. Very small? Try nonexistant. The incap message and death message practically come up as the same message.
Except that FOW has been on a 1 hour timer which seemed pretty reasonable to me. I dont see how only being able to use it once an hour was to powerful. It is definately not a "TKA cant die skill".
jmonty
Fri May 07, 2004 7:27 am
#12
FOW was a real let down for me, having just mastered it. i had to ask around to make sure in understood the meaning. lets hppe it gets fixed. is there a way to expidite the fixing???
jah'y master tk, master medic, doc4440,
swankiller
Fri May 07, 2004 9:49 pm
#13
the new AI rocks, today i got slain with HAM in all my bars just tanking along all the sudden on my back and boom dead it was **edit**ing awsome
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