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Thread: Why Body hit is better than Unarmed hit
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hoog
Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:48 am
#1
I love TKA I was a rifleman for the first two months of my career. This is much more exciting and inter active and the graphics for the kills are so much fun to watch. Anyway when I started I got hte advice to spam unarmed 1 and 2 all the way up the tree from several MTKAs. I being one to listen to advice but also experment, tried that and some other things. Here is what I dsicoverd and why I feel BH is better than UH.
1. It does more damage than UH2 and Focuses damage which is better than UA 3.
2. It is faster than UH.
3. Body hit costs only slightly more than unarmed 2 and much less than unarmed 3 in HAM.
4. Most TKA novices already have the combat points to get it as soon as they get novice this allows them to use it right away.
So what do you think? I gleaned most of my information from personal expermintation and this wonderful website.
http://www.teraskasi.net/
Dromare
Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:10 am
#2
UAH3 by far does the most damage. I'm not a master tka yet im 2 boxes away damn combat exp. But i fight with some MTKA sometimes and they do about 1k more damage then my hit2 does and health hit does like 800 damage where my Hit2 is doing 1400.
SoonToBeBountyHunter
Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:02 am
#3
hoog wrote:
1. It does more damage than UH2 and Focuses damage which is better than UA 3.
2. It is faster than UH.
3. Body hit costs only slightly more than unarmed 2 and much less than unarmed 3 in HAM.
4. Most TKA novices already have the combat points to get it as soon as they get novice this allows them to use it right away.
Why i feel your an idiot, sure body hit concentrates on health but it does LESS then UH2. if a move focuses on a certain pool it will always do LESS damage then their other move that hits random pools. UH2 dosen't take up that much HAM also, i'm pretty sure BH takes more HAM.how is BH faster then UH. i would love to see a combat log for that. i don't remember the BH animation because i didn't use it but it seems that UH2 is just a quick spin that takes 1 sec with a speed sliced VK if your not master. just my couple creds
Laeren
Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:50 am
#5
According to the DPS calculator (mentioned elsewhere on the SOE forums) here's a breakdown:
UAH2
Delay: 2.5
Dmg mod: 3.0
UAH3
Delay: 3.0
Dmg mod: 4.0
UABodyHit1
Delay: 2.0
Dmg Mod: 2.5
Plugging in generic (unreal) VK stats of Min/Max: 150-150, Weapon Speed 2.0 and TKM Speed of +113, gave the following results:
UABodyHit1 DPS: 375 (health)
UAH2: 450 (/3) = 150 (health)
UAH3: 600 (/3) = 200 (health)
So, if you're going for pure health damage, UABodyhit1 is the way to go. If yo'ure just trying to lower their pools, then UAH3 is the way to go, until you figure out which one you want to specifically hit. That's probably the reason we can target all 3 pools. UAHeadhit1 and UALegahit1 are the same DPS as UABodyhit1, btw. So you get to pick and choose which pool your UAH2 or UAH3 opens up, then pound away at that pool til they're down.
NharYstta
Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:03 am
#6
The one problem with those calculations Laeren is that I dont think its a 33% chance to hit each pool. It seems more along the lines of... 50.30.20 or so. Random damage hits tend to hit the health pool more than any other, meaning its not quite "random" damage.
I use Body hit when Im trying to just whittle away something that an entire group is hitting. When Im on my own, its an UH move. Those tend to do much much more damage.
Laeren
Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:28 am
#7
NharYstta wrote:
The one problem with those calculations Laeren is that I dont think its a 33% chance to hit each pool. It seems more along the lines of... 50.30.20 or so. Random damage hits tend to hit the health pool more than any other, meaning its not quite "random" damage.
I use Body hit when Im trying to just whittle away something that an entire group is hitting. When Im on my own, its an UH move. Those tend to do much much more damage.
Even if it's 50/30/20 UABodyHit1 is still doing more damage to the health pool.
UABodyHit1/UAHeadHit1/UALegHit1 = 375 (health/mind/action)
UAH2 DPS 450 (50% = 225) (health)
UAH3 DPS 600 (50% = 300) (health)
The 'more damage' you're seeing from UAH3 is just the combat spam. But even if you're hitting the health pool 50% of the time, you're still only doing 300 DPS to the single pool. Ultimately, it's how you wanna play it, but it seems that doing a single-pool attack beats out doing spread attacks, at least once you've lessened a pool.
You can also look at Pistoleer for an example, where Body Shot 2 does more DPS than Stopping Shot, until you hit Master Pistoleer. Sure, Stopping Shot does more damage across 3 pools, but Body Shot 2, being a concentrated shot, gets the job done faster.
Leonae
Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:19 am
#8
IME, UA2 is more effective than UABH. Can't say I have logged or calculated it, but I tried spamming UABH and UA2 on the same targets, and UA2 works better for me.
JiveTimeMofo
Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:14 am
#9
mind hit is better than the body hit, and it certain situations better than uh3.
body does have a place at times, for me it's a finishing move if the mob has low health and is running away. other than that i rarely use it.
Srednii
Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:51 pm
#10
This is just an impression, I've never tested anything... but unarmed hit 2 seems to kill stuff faster then UAbodyhit1.
For me anyways *shrug*
hoog
Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:11 am
#11
Perhaps I was wrong I thought I crunched the numbers right but I will look into it again. Thanks everyone except SoonToBeBountyHunterthat was uncalled for.
Ithyalgia
Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:34 am
#12
Laeren wrote:
NharYstta wrote:The one problem with those calculations Laeren is that I dont think its a 33% chance to hit each pool. It seems more along the lines of... 50.30.20 or so. Random damage hits tend to hit the health pool more than any other, meaning its not quite "random" damage.I use Body hit when Im trying to just whittle away something that an entire group is hitting. When Im on my own, its an UH move. Those tend to do much much more damage.Even if it's 50/30/20 UABodyHit1 is still doing more damage to the health pool.UABodyHit1/UAHeadHit1/UALegHit1 = 375 (health/mind/action)UAH2 DPS 450 (50% = 225) (health)UAH3 DPS 600 (50% = 300) (health)The 'more damage' you're seeing from UAH3 is just the combat spam. But even if you're hitting the health pool 50% of the time, you're still only doing 300 DPS to the single pool. Ultimately, it's how you wanna play it, but it seems that doing a single-pool attack beats out doing spread attacks, at least once you've lessened a pool.You can also look at Pistoleer for an example, where Body Shot 2 does more DPS than Stopping Shot, until you hit Master Pistoleer. Sure, Stopping Shot does more damage across 3 pools, but Body Shot 2, being a concentrated shot, gets the job done faster.
There's one problem with your dps calculation... at master with 115 unarmed speed everything hits at 1 sec.
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