Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: My take on TKM vs Jedi
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Flatlinedmemory
Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:53 am
#1
Many Jedi will say that no professtion that can be mastered in a matter of days should be able stand toe to toe with a Jedi. I disagree
No matter how long it takes to be a Jedi they cannot be the bane of this game. Powerfull they may be but for the sake this game and everyone who doesnt wish to be a Jedi TKM's (as well as BH's) need to be the counter class of Jedi.
If your ranged and you come across a Jedi in pvp and you dont have a TKM(or any other melee prof at this time) you are dead. If you do it is the melee guys job to fight the Jedi.
To further add to my logic that TKM need to be a counter class to Jedi. It is in EU. Jedi are powerfull in Star Wars and they are in the game. TKM's are powerfull against Jedi in EU and they are in this game for the most part and I dont think that should change
My vision for TKM in the EU is pretty simple
High defense
Medium offense vs. Jedi
Low offense against armored oppoents
As it is now most people in this game are persuing Jedi. If they make it so no one can stand toe to toe with them everyone will eventually persue Jedi which is horrible for the game
To combine the state of the game along with some EU.
In EU the Teras Kasi order was the safe gaurd agaisnt the force wielders who used thier powers to bennefit themselves.
Right now most Jedi are fight clubbing thier way up the ranks so they can prentend they are deserving contributers of this game. They need to die.
No matter how long it takes to be a Jedi they cannot be the bane of this game. Powerfull they may be but for the sake this game and everyone who doesnt wish to be a Jedi TKM's (as well as BH's) need to be the counter class of Jedi.
If your ranged and you come across a Jedi in pvp and you dont have a TKM(or any other melee prof at this time) you are dead. If you do it is the melee guys job to fight the Jedi.
To further add to my logic that TKM need to be a counter class to Jedi. It is in EU. Jedi are powerfull in Star Wars and they are in the game. TKM's are powerfull against Jedi in EU and they are in this game for the most part and I dont think that should change
My vision for TKM in the EU is pretty simple
High defense
Medium offense vs. Jedi
Low offense against armored oppoents
As it is now most people in this game are persuing Jedi. If they make it so no one can stand toe to toe with them everyone will eventually persue Jedi which is horrible for the game
To combine the state of the game along with some EU.
In EU the Teras Kasi order was the safe gaurd agaisnt the force wielders who used thier powers to bennefit themselves.
Right now most Jedi are fight clubbing thier way up the ranks so they can prentend they are deserving contributers of this game. They need to die.
Kryxal
Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:18 am
#2
You know, blaming everybody for the exploiters isn't the best of ideas (and everybody KNOWS it's an exploit to do the Fight Club thing, it's just SOE isn't treating it as such). Who are the ones who will be hit hard by this? The non-exploiters. Having a class that trumps Jedi means that anybody (esp. SOME BHs) who plans to fight Jedi has a better-than-even chance if they design their template to take this into account...
Combat_Medic_to_be
Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:43 am
#3
I agree jedi shouldn't be the be all and end all but there shouldn't be one proffesion that is a "counter" to them. They should just be given stronger incentives not to show themselves in public. I don't want perma death to come back, that was just unfair but definately something that would make a jedi think 10 times before using their skills in the public eye, equiping a robe or saber or even showing their title.
The problem comes when people wish to play with their friends, one of my best friends is a jedi and it would be great to go out hunting together but we can't cause of the vis system. Something needs to be done, but not a counter proffesion, just a better FRS and vis system with suitible incentives to keep jedi out of the public eye yet make it possible for them to play with their friends...
It's a tough issue.
The problem comes when people wish to play with their friends, one of my best friends is a jedi and it would be great to go out hunting together but we can't cause of the vis system. Something needs to be done, but not a counter proffesion, just a better FRS and vis system with suitible incentives to keep jedi out of the public eye yet make it possible for them to play with their friends...
It's a tough issue.
TravonLepen
Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:49 am
#4
The "TK are jedi killers" thing isn't true. It's mostly EU (not canon) and fan fiction stuff.
The fact that Jedi can't block melee attacks very wellwasn't necessarily intended by the devs imo. That doesn't mean we were meant to hunt jedi.
CTM1
Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:33 am
#5
Im not a proponent of the TK being some sort of Jedi killer, however I think that the Jedi need to be checked in this game. If not us then who the BH's all they do is advisethe Jedi if they hit the terms and extort credits from them. To me maybe the Jedi need to be in a class of their own. If they wantto flaunt their power for all to see then ALL should be able to attack them no matter the faction or lvl of Jedi. If they would implement this then I think the Jedi will be less opt to run around with thier little glow sticks and electric trails. Just an idea.
Ijeheu
Flatlinedmemory
Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:47 am
#6
Alot of this game is based off of EU which is mostly written by fans with Lucas's seal of approval. I'd go as far as saying Star Wars is EU and fan fiction. We all know cannon, but its the back story and our imaginations, the stuff that the gerneral public could care less about that makes this all interesting.
The game is so loosly based on cannon anyway. To add content I think involving TKM's with jedi other than just the normal pvp would be awesome,
The game is so loosly based on cannon anyway. To add content I think involving TKM's with jedi other than just the normal pvp would be awesome,
Combat_Medic_to_be
Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:56 am
#7
CTM1 wrote:Im not a proponent of the TK being some sort of Jedi killer, however I think that the Jedi need to be checked in this game. If not us then who the BH's all they do is advise the Jedi if they hit the terms and extort credits from them. To me maybe the Jedi need to be in a class of their own. If they want to flaunt their power for all to see then ALL should be able to attack them no matter the faction or lvl of Jedi. If they would implement this then I think the Jedi will be less opt to run around with thier little glow sticks and electric trails. Just an idea.Ijeheu
Well once they reach knight we can all attack them, assuming they are of oposing faction. I don't really have a problem with there being lots of jedi, so long as they aren't seen all the time, simply because it is so immersion breaking.
They need to change the FRS so that knights aren't perma overt because this forces them to show themselves
They need to give greater incentive for jedi to stay off the terms by keeping themselves more hidden
Somehow allow jedi to hunt with their friends without gaining visibility
Change saberblock so that the ranged BHs stand a chance against a jedi with MLS but allow it to still give jedi an advantage.
I see no reason why we should suggenly be the "jedi controllers" sure in the EU it is spoken about but I'd much rather see BH given some skills to truly give them a change (sorting out saberblock would go along way towards this) and then give greater penalty on death, not just more xp loss, something different but not perma death. I can't really think of anything suitible at the moment.
Flatlinedmemory
Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:06 am
#8
Emmersion wise I've been both a TKM/BH , a BH , and a TKM. I always thought it was cool that as a BH I hunted Jedi for sport and for personal gain. I went TKM/BH to sort of role play what TKM's were thought to do in EU. Fight Jedi who used thier power for personal gain. Infact while I was a TKM/BH I gave all my earnings away.
snash0902
Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:57 pm
#9
Well, I very nearly beata Jedi Knight! If it wasnt for the fact he was able to get up after a series of Dizzy's, Stuns and Knockdowns I would have finished him off! But, unfortunately, he was able to get up just seconds before finishing him off and healed himself!!
Whilst we all may not be able to take on and win against Jedi Knights, I am sure with abit more PVP experienceI could have!! 
Incidently, before all the Jedi's in Chimaera start challenging me to a duel, it was a friendly with no DB's! We then went again with my trusty DE-10 and failed miserably!
I never PVP as I dont take the gamethat seriously! Nor do I like having my @rse kicked! 
Ilcbar
Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:02 pm
#10
MasterGettingOnTerms wrote:
i disagree.. ive had a few tka bh's come after me and i dont think its fair that tka's can kill a jedi knight that is mls 4004 healer and master enhancer
Ok, let me get this right. You worked soooo hard in grinding your template that now you don't want a challenge? Alright how about this one; if a fewfully templated players working together shouldn't be able to take out a templated knight then what should?
Here is my take on it, jedi knights should be about 20%stronger than a master combat profession (it should also be quite a bit harder to master a profession but that is not my point here). It was your choice touse your time to become a jediso you could have force powers and play with a lightsaber. Other combat professions should not get worked just because you decide to grace us with your presence and no we do not feel honored when we get killed with your lightsaber. The wholesaberblock thingis idiotic as it totally nullifies ranged professions against jedi as isjedi getting their own damage type that everything is vulnerable to. Now I don't know anything about EU or canon but I watched all the movies lots of times and I saw one thing inthem, jedi run alot. If they are supposed to be all powerful beings and should pwn everything they see thenwhy do they run so much?
Oh ya, please remember this is a game and as suchrequires a balance between players, if there is no balance then the game is no longer fun to those on the loosing side so they move to the side that is stronger thus throwing the balance off even more and making the game even less fun for normal players. Ok I will get off my soap box now.
/braces for the flames
MasterGettingOnTerms
Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:29 pm
#12
hey now.. i havent pvp'd in awhile except for the few bh's that have come after me. im just a padawan but ive heard and seen tkm's kill jedi knights which is wrong in my opinion. we're supposed to rip through u guys like tissue but since this is a game we cant kill u with one swing but should atleast be able to do a crap load of damage with each attack
MasterGettingOnTerms
Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:10 am
#13
i disagree.. ive had a few tka bh's come after me and i dont think its fair that tka's can kill a jedi knight that is mls 4004 healer and master enhancer
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