Teras Kasi Archive

Thread: Don't feel bad, you guys are still king of Melee

JediTool
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:37 pm
#1

Heya, i have seen you guys gripe a lot about your nerfs and complain that your class is unplayable. I just want to put things in perspective.


I am a fencer (almost master). We have no knockdown in the first place. You guys do more damage, our weapons ALSO have high ham, your defense is much better (besides the special defense, which is does NOTHING).


All in all you guys are still way better than fencers, yet you think you are unplayable. Just try out fencer if you don't believe me, and you realize how lucky you guys are.


I kill myself on my own sword in like 15 seconds, but I don't do the damage you guys do. My specials suck, and im just as fast as you (Because speed caps).


TKA >> Fencer. I believe you are also better than Pikeman and swordsman, but not by quite as much.


Fencers are the Joke of SWG. Were not even borked like commandos, we are working as intended.




Tool
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Wanderhome
rubberpants
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:41 pm
#2

But, see? That's like saying "this is the best tasting piece of crap out of this pile of crap."

It doesn't mean much to be at the top, does it?
ultraddtd
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:41 pm
#3

I wouldn't call us the kings of melee.

I went toe-to-toe with a two-handed guy and he made me look jsut plain silly.

I didn't even have a chance to pull off a knockdown, but it might of been that I just suck

--ddtd
Pyradius
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:42 pm
#4

Aside from Unarmed Toughness, which I will admit is handy for creature fighting, what defense do we have that is better than a fencer? None of them even work anyway. But I know for a fact you get at least twice the defense vs knockdown as us.


How is this post anything more than heresay? You posted no logs of your battles. Our specials (aside from the nerfed knockdown) are useless.




Otrissk the Trandoshan
Teräs Käsi Master
Sinking Ranger, Rising CH
JediTool
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:42 pm
#5

Well... devs have no intention of buffing up fencers. They do plan on giving us different hilts, and to maybe fix a couple lag bugs. *yay* we rock!


You don't see us complaining bitterly or saying "we are going to quit SWG because you hate Fencers" No we just live with it and play the game. Its fun to suck, you'll get used to it =)




Tool
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Wanderhome
Wookinpanub
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:44 pm
#6

I think Teras Kasi is totally playable as it is right now. Then again, I'm not one of the complainers that can't handle the game unless we can solo any red (I can still solo most, btw) and be PvP gods. Well, I don't do PvP, so I can't really say too much about that, but my opinion is, if you're in a gunfight at long range, you're screwed if you're melee. That's how it should be. Up close, we should easily have the upper hand. Unfortunately, that's not the case. So, I just don't PvP. As far as PvE goes, I have a blast as a TKA.



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JediTool
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:46 pm
#7

Pyradius, you have 2x the defense vs melee and ranged we do. Those DO work. Defense vs knockdown does nothing. I have NEVER prevented somene from knocking me down in a duel. I always check w/ people to find out if they tried and failed, but everyone says they succede on their fist try. I tested this w/ many TKA.


TKA still whip the floor w/ my butt even after KD nerf, and still outdamage me (I have a master TKA friend I tested this w/). I think he used unarmed hit III or something. Plus you guys get meditate as an added bonus. We have nothing to compare to meditate.




Tool
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Wanderhome
Pyradius
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:53 pm
#8

I'm sorry that the defensive mods that are supposed to be where your superiority come into play aren't working. How does this have anything to do with TK's? Melee / Ranged defense are working? Could have fooled me, I still get hit almost every time from melee / ranged attacks. Did you test this extensively with a TK or something? I'd love to know where you get your data that OUR defenses work but yours do not.



Otrissk the Trandoshan
Teräs Käsi Master
Sinking Ranger, Rising CH
Combat-Medic
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:53 pm
#9

Here's the funny thing.... My friend is a TK. He and I dueled. I let him wack away at me without my hitting him, i didn't hit him once. He did more damage to himself with his ham costs than he did to me. In a real pvp situation, he wouldn't stand a chance to win. I'd love to see a TK style, the styles alone will kill them. Oh yeah and he had barly any life left, I still had 1/2 a bar, he also has 1k+ health, i have 700.... You do that math. And this wasn't just knockdown, this was all his moves.



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JediTool
Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:57 pm
#10

I dueled my TKA friend. I miss twice, he misses 0 times. Thats defense for ya.


Special defense does not work, I agree. My normal defense works, but you guys just got plain more of it! And honestly... woopty do if I got more defense vs blind than you. Guess thats balancing! Defense vs knockdown is nice, if it worked. But you guys do way more damage than us, and your vibro knucklers have lower HAM than our ryyks. So we kill ourselves a lot faster on specials than you do.


They need to switch our melee mods. We should have +30, and you should have +15. That would certainly even things out imensly.




Tool
Blademaster
Wanderhome
Pyradius
Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:04 pm
#11

We have enormous accuracy, that would be my belief as to why he hit you. I agree that defensive mods suck, as do the specials that inflict those damage types. If these were both working worth a **edit**, I think there would be a lot more balance.



Otrissk the Trandoshan
Teräs Käsi Master
Sinking Ranger, Rising CH
JediTool
Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:07 pm
#12

Im just afraid that TKA will get tons of attention, and Fencers and Swordsmen and Pikemen will just be left in the dust.


We are never included in these talks of melee improvement. As far as the devs seem to be concerned Melee = TKA. Other melee are just a joke, especially fencers. There are many quotes where holo just makes fun of us for using weapons in a star wars universe. I'm tired of being ignored. However most likely they will "fix" tka and fencers will still be as bad as ever.


Oh well, its what I signed up for when I becamea fencer, i can't complain.




Tool
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Wanderhome
Sollion
Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:14 pm
#13

I just had a bit of fun today in Moenia as an Imperial . And let me tell you, after all the stories I'd heard I didn't really wanna PvP but an aquaintance asked for my help, and I was bored .

They were firing at me and missing, granted these Rebel's probably weren't the most intelligent of all because they just stood there firing . So I closed in quickly hit them with a KD or Lunge and then a Dizzy. My 2 imperial friends with me firing all the while keeping them somewhat distracted I suppose (I also used a CDEF on the way in ), they were droppin like flies until we got swarmed in the cantina .

(I didn't wanna attack the dancer, it's not right to attack such a class when they're obviously waiting for thier HAM to regenerate after dancing, but since I was the only Declared Imp I fired at her once...peer pressure is a bitch. Heh, that cantina came ALIVE with rebs hahaha, most fun I've had for weeks).

Killed about 7 of them before we went into the cantina, all too easy. And I think that unarmed toughness does indeed help...or this new 75% less damage thing does, becuase I didn't suffer from dying too fast or health dropping too quick. Against gun's against two-armed, killed some rebel troopers too after incapping people. We TKA's definitley last longer than someone who doesn't have our Toughness. Maybe it's my master musician +7ranged defense +7melee defense workin tho eh?



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Teras Kasi Master (9/02/04 - current)
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