Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: I heard we were getting NERFED big time
hey cakins, last time i looked master swordsman uses same points as tka. funny how that works out
do you realize you can do anything a tkm can do when you add points up. want to know something else, so can pikeman and fencer. it's people like you who ruin games, not the devs.
have a nice day
farnargle wrote:hey cakins, last time i looked master swordsman uses same points as tka. funny how that works out
Care to explain? I don't see a meditation line in any of the other melee professions, nor several other things. I don't like the idea of TKA getting nerfed at all, but you have to admit, TKA is a much much better overall profession than most, if not all, other professions in the game. Your comment makes no sense at all.
antares
master pikeman
Utter BS and lies. Good job.
As if the devs hadn't realized our dmg potential... they did after all increase it..
Remember how everyone griped and moaned about not having player tanks after the CH's got hit with a nerf bat... well TKA was the answer and this is where we are.
antares, we don't have bleeds, you don't have kd. we can only deal damage on one opponent, you do area damage. it is true that we have a move that is supposed to affect a mob if you are surrounded, but it is pretty much useless. shall we compare the range of damage? i will openly admit other melee classes need fixed, but swordsman isn't at the bottom. that is reserved for pikeman. that is what devs intend for balance between melee. your mind bleed isn't bad. as for the med line, if you want it, use the points and get it. i currently have fencer 0440 and pikeman 0040. you know why i did it? it builds my def mods better than the tka prof gives. if you want to be a true swordsman only, you can't have everything. you can design your character using other profs to be better. most tka's have done that. i want to also state, if they take away the last patch that gave us the nicer damage i will still be fine. i've been a tka since beginning of game and learned to use what i have available.
i don't care what other profs have. i only worry what i can do with my choice of a profession. if we become uber weak from a nerf, that's life, but i will still be dilligent in my tka status and do what i can. don't even try to talk about taking so few points to be a tka.
as for making sense, i only write it. it's up to you to comprehend.
Defensive acuity is broken.
We cannot meditate if we are in combat or any state effects are on us besides poison or disease.
So how exactly is that inbalancing again?
Please do some research before calling for a nerf.
Instead, ask them to fix swordsman and pikemen.
Yes, if you give a TKM master doctor buffs and high resist armor (80% resist composite), they are incredibly tough. If you give a master musician the same things, they are going to be very tough to kill also.
we do area damage? That is no excuse for sucking. You are saying if we can't fight on eof something that we should fight 5 of them, if we want to win?
TKA don't have bleeds? Not the biggest handicap in the world ya know.
The lack of weapons i think is TKAs ONLY problem....but the word "unarmed" kind of suggests a certain lack of varitey, dosn't it?
ALL pikeman and swordsman really have over you is armor peirceing. A High end VK is about 60-200 damage, right? After +250 damage it is 310-450 at about 2.0 speed. And you never miss.
All Pikeman get After +000 damage is 150-500 at about 4.4 speed. And -54/-54/-54 to hit ANDare YOUR HAM costs 90/70/30?
When we do an area attack we do a good 200-300 damage to ourselves, and miss anywhere from 1/10 to 1/2 the time, and then potentialy do much less damage anyway, on a move that has a much smaller multipler than TKA moves.
NOW in THAT situation do you really think we should be fighting multiple targets? When everytime we TRY and hit them we half kill oursleves?
SO maybe you should think before you suggest that the master pikeman and the master swordsman or who ever just don't know how to play their class.
I am not saying they are kittens running around man, these are inteligent people, they find ways around problems, and ways to deal with them. They have to pace themselves and not over extend. Becouse they know their strengths and weaknesses. So just don't assume that they are unawares of their abilities.
They are just saying that tkas do not require the same caution and process. Where we have to stand there and think, "can we take this thing?", "am I going to crap out and miss 10 times in a row and kill myself?", "will my uber duber non-tka defenses hold out while this thing pummels me into the ground as ai miss over and over while doing 200 damage to myself every 2 seconds?", TKAs can simply walk forward, hit, KD2, UH3,UH3,UH3,UH3,UH3 and win and not have to worry about weather or not they can fight, they don't have to worry about how much damage they are going to do, or if they can hit their target. Sure you arn't invincible, but tka requires no luck, and no skill. Sure luck helps, and skill seperates the men from the boys, but the fact is that a little infant who dosn't know what they are doing can defeat things beyond their skill.
I am asking a question to all TKAs right here. Think about all the things you fight. Pikets, tortons, huurtons, grauls, and everything that is a good healthy fight, but you can win pretty easily one on one.
When was the last time you were incapped or killed by one of these things? Rarely, i imagine. You knew you could fight them, and you knew what would happen, you went in there and did you "combo", won, and walked away.
I can't say i have played all the classes in the game, but i do know that it isn't that way for every one else.
Fencers, don't know whats going to happen. Swordsman don't, and pikeman don't.
Thats probably somethign that by now you take for granted and don't care about, but trust me it is important to the rest of us. Now that decay is in, it is VERy important.
Anyway this was about 3X more long winded than i intended or was necissary.
So i will wrap up my book here by saying it isn't so much that tka need to be nerfed, but you guys have to understand what it is like for everyone else, and be sympathetic. And don't talk down to them like they don't know what they are talking about.
farnargle wrote:antares, ... the bottom. that is reserved for pikeman. that is what devs intend for balance between melee. ... don't even try to talk about taking so few points to be a tka.
as for making sense, i only write it. it's up to you to comprehend.
I'm a pikeman primarily, not a swordsman, to start with, so I have no clue where all your comments about me wanting "to be a true swordsman only" came from, heh. I was responding to your comment that anything a TKM can do, any other melee profession can do for the same amount of points. I asked you to explain how you felt this was true, as TKA is THE most utilitarian profession in the game. You responded with a bunch of stuff, mostly unrelated and misdirected.
Class-to-class, I was simply wanting to understand your statement: "you ( speaking to a swordsman) can do anything a tkm can do when you add points up. want to know something else, so can pikeman and fencer". I thought at first maybe I misunderstood. TKA is a much more efficient use of skill points overall than any of the other melee classes.
antares
master pikeman
a swordsman hit for 17K? I bet he can't do it again.
And as soon as Defense acuity kicks in and works right for you guys, you will REALLY start to hear the bitching, i mean it, i am not saying that just on my part i mean, do you understand what will happen if they fix that?
You have about as much of it as a Fencer, all that dodge i have been hearing people cry about will be on your side, WITH your speed, and accuracy, and toughness, and melee defense, and power boost, and defense to knock down, and your +250 damage, and your longer range and your ability to target any pool,
.....but thats okay becouse block is frickin busted, and we have area attacks and bleeds, boy you guys should swoon.
ark, you are correct. most tka's know pikeman needs some love. however, you stated something important. you do damage through armor. when pike isfixed that will be very nice. tka's are pretty soft on the damage to armor, as they should be. i can't remember last time hands were supposed to damage an at-st. you are wrong in saying our method of attack is kd2....unarmed3...unarmed3...etc.... that belittles us now. i can look at all other melee and say they all spam the two best moves they have and it puts in everyone in the same category. if you say that about us i hate to see what you think about bh, carbine, or pistoleers special moves. although, those moves aren't as obvious as ours due to the fact that a gun shoots the same no matter what move is done.
the armor penetration is going to be much bigger in game when all the mele is working as they are supposed to. just sit back and stay on the devs to fix your prof instead of wanting to wax another prof to bring it down also.
you also need to remember most of us tka's aren't going to complain if they put us back to the same level we were in before they boosted us. we survived then and we will contnue to do so. also, do you realize we were nerfed at the beginning of the game. i don't know the capabilities of the tka was in beta, so someone else would have to comment on that.
i hear a lot of people mention accuracy on hits. tka's are martial artist, (basically), we are supposed to be fast and accurate. fencers are in same category as us now, about time on that . swords and pike swing big heavy objects through the air dealing large doses of damage. it will work like that eventually. but, you are not supposed to be as accurate as us. your attacks also have to be much slower than ours. it takes time to swing heavy objects through the air compared to a small piece of steel or your hands.
one thing i forgot to add. remember the ranges each profession needs to be in for attack. we are supposed to be the tanks due to the shorter range. the tka will be taking the damage 9 times out of 10 because we will be closest. use that to your advantage.
also, i have mastered all of the melee profs and have enjoyed them each in their own way. fencers aren't sitting in too bad of a place right now, so you prob don't want to bring them into discussion.
mainly, i want to say relax. you will be fixed and happy, hopefully sooner rather than later. if it makes the pikeman and swordsman happier if we do get nerfed, congrats to ya. most tka's i know want all the melee classes to be working proper. we don't need lectures on sympathy for other classessince we already tell the devs to fix all the melee.