Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: We have one seriously borked profession here people!
I remember growing up on the streets of Nashal and Dearic...I was always looking to fight...there were many Sleemo's and Chunker's that had wished that they never crossed the likes of Kiseit, for it was a regretable action.
My anger was channeled into one action, and one action alone, my fists, and the weapons that I had made them...they were the mightiest of weapons, and a feared one at that...not many people had the discipline or knowledge to use them the way myself and others had begun to...
Over time my anger and rage became controlled, as I learned to meditate me wordly feelings away, and channel all of my energy into the physical action of the fight...and it was always a good fight...
I remember the day that I finally became a Master of my order, it was not a joyus celebration, nor was it anything that was made known, except to a specific few. I had come so far, and learned to use my hands as such weapons of destruction, that I felt and knew that there was little in this galaxy that could ever stop me.
I had hopes that one day I would able to teach and help others in the order, and to make things between us and the jedi right...
I began my journey by visiting a place that I knew was frequented by artists lesser than myself, the Krayt Graveyard...I had heard stories before, but seeing the beast for the first time is always a shock, and will set your heart pounding...
After reeling from my initial views, I sat, and began to gather my calm, and focus it all into a rage so deep, and a hatred so bad, that I was an unstopable force...I sprang to life, and lunged toward the beast, attacking with precision aim and force.
We battled for nearly an hour, the beast and myself, and when it was all said and done, I was the one standing victorious...As the sweat dripped down my face, and the blood ran off my knuckles, I looked down at the broken and battered body of the beast, and said under my breath, as heavy as it was, "You call that a fight?"
I'm not usually one to frequent the profession boards, because I am usually to busy busting up the GCW or Bria boards, but I feel I need to come here to talk with all my fellow TKM/TKA's about the state of our profession...
I have been playing SWG since basically the week after release, and all I ever wanted to be in this game was a TKM. I am proud of my mastered profession, and I would not trade it for the world, but we have serious problems with it that need to be brought to the attention of the devs.
As stated in the first paragraph of my post, the Teras Kasi Order was founded to keep the Jedi in check, they were probably the strongest people in the galaxy.
What has our profession become in SWG when we can't even fight a novice marksman (with rifles 4, a jawa rifle, and us in kinetic/stun resist comp armor) without getting completely blown away in 4-5 spams of Head or Eye Shot?
Why is it that EVERY other profession in the game has at least two forms/types of damage weapons, when all that TKA's get is kinetic?
We have some serious issues with our profession here people, whether you want to admit it or not!
Talking with some people in my guild the other night, we came up with some ways to improve the TKA profession.
1. Give TKA's a weapon (similar to VK's) that does a form/type of damage OTHER THAN KINETIC!
Some of the ideas that we had tossed around were forms of gloves, or secondary VK's that have heat, stun, or electric damage.
2. Fix our inability to fight in PvP!
We no longer are the masters of PvP, as where we shouldn't be able to competly rule everything, we should be able to hold our own against a group, not get killed in two hits by two or more people spamming eye or head shot...
3. In a way of fixing our profession, give us extra defenses (of some sort) against things like a jawa rifle to the head, or a sonic blaster...It is extremely hard to fight (especially in PvP!!) when you are to busy popping drugs and food to keep your mind bar from dropping faster than a dress on prom night.
I ask all of you TKM/TKA's out there to help me in a protest to the devs, to fix our profession! If you agree with the things that I have said here, please sign this thread, and tell the others that you know to give it a sign as well. Even if you don't agree, please list ways that you know of the fix our overly broken profession!
/kowtow
I salute all you honest and loyal TKA's out there, no matter what your faction!
antares
master pikeman
Moosha_Festerbone wrote:The ONLY thing currently wrong with the TKA profession is the lack of an alternate damage type in the face of 80% kinetic armor. We fight just fine in PvP and even with the current damage limitations I can hold my own in PvP. People are asking for the moon and the stars in all of these posts but in all honesty, the class is pretty balanced. Only the lack of a way to defeat 80% kinetic is a problem to us. Remove the jawa ion rifle and the new stun pistol from the game (or change the damage type to something other then stun)and you would be shocked how totally balanced things would become. Grab a set of buffs and some good armor. Get some good mind food and give it another shot. If you are allowing yourself to be kited around in an open area and killed with headshots (which I am guilty of as well), you are the one doing something wrong.-Moosha FesterboneMaster TKA/Master Doctor
Don't sit here and lecture me about how to PvP and play this game...unless you have been playing as long as I have, and can remember a TKM being able to completly solo a kray with no problems or tanks...(hence the story...)
I know how to PvP, very well thank you, and my guild has been acclaimed as one of the great PvP guilds on my server...thanks for trying to make me look like an a$$, when it is actually you who now look bad...
Also, I'm not asking for the moon and stars, I'm asking simply for another damage type, and better class resists to damages...TKA has almost nothing other than melee defenses...
Message Edited by Kiseit on 03-30-2004 10:34 AM
you have GOT to be kidding me
are you actually quite serious?
nah your joking right, tell me your joking before you keep making yourself look like a **edit**!
first thing - jawa ion rifles effects EVERYBODY. its not just tka that is effected by this gun its everyone due to the low stun resists on armor.
second issue - ok, how many people do you know that can produce fire with their bare hands? shoot electricity when holding a piece of metal? look we are UNARMED fighters. the reason we have vibroknucklers and not gloves is because not all races can wear gloves! so to make this fair they gave us a weapon which boosts our already powerful attacks! doing anything except kinetic damage in combat is completely retarded (i also question if this applies to you).
next issue - "we should be able to hold our own against a group" my god, i think i should post this comment in every other profession board and watch them rip hell out of you. this comment is both irrational and stupid. ignoring the past where tka's came from and why they are here why should WE, a tkm, someone who has spent the same amount of skill points as any other combat profession (except BH + commando) be able to take down a group of people? we should be able to defeat some combat professions in a 1v1 , and be beaten by others. this brings BALANCE to combat. certain professions being strong vs some but weak vs others. TKA is the elite melee profession. in a 1v1 with any othermelee prof i have never been beaten. completly fair fights, armored+unarmored, buffed + unbuffed.
the only way to make tka more alike the story is to completely revamp the proffession.
they should change tka being after unarmed fighting and change it to something like "street brawler" or something like that (only a suggestion but you know what i mean with it). afaik, there were not a lot of tkm's around. how about making a 2nd force sensitive slot to unlock tka. we are supposed to have similiar force sensitivity as a jedi but we learn to control and balance etc etc. either that or make it a high costing elite profession like bounty hunter. BH takes nearly all your skill points. how about making a tka a cross between two professions. (unsure what but the idea is there).
right now tka's are fine the way the are. so what if we are no longer the elite in pvp, lemme guess, you ran into a battle , got targeted by 4 rifleman who all shot you in the head? oh boo hoo. they would have killed any profession. only thing i think is wrong with tka is our attack is TOO powerful. not by much but it could be nerfed a bit.
I myself find as a tkm/master doc i can take on a hell of a lot of things, not to mention last a while in pvp combat!
and as for solo'ing a krayt - you have got to be kidding me!
NOBODY should be able to solo a krayt, a krayt should take at least a group of 20 elite professions to bring it down!
well i await the creator of this thread to make some kinda of dumbass flame back at me and watch him make more of a fool of himself that he realises.
Kiseit wrote:
Moosha_Festerbone wrote:
The ONLY thing currently wrong with the TKA profession is the lack of an alternate damage type in the face of 80% kinetic armor. We fight just fine in PvP and even with the current damage limitations I can hold my own in PvP. People are asking for the moon and the stars in all of these posts but in all honesty, the class is pretty balanced. Only the lack of a way to defeat 80% kinetic is a problem to us. Remove the jawa ion rifle and the new stun pistol from the game (or change the damage type to something other then stun)and you would be shocked how totally balanced things would become. Grab a set of buffs and some good armor. Get some good mind food and give it another shot. If you are allowing yourself to be kited around in an open area and killed with headshots (which I am guilty of as well), you are the one doing something wrong.
-Moosha Festerbone
Master TKA/Master Doctor
Don't sit here and lecture me about how to PvP and play this game...unless you have been playing as long as I have, and can remember a TKM being able to completly solo a kray with no problems or tanks...(hence the story...)
I know how to PvP, very well thank you, and my guild has been acclaimed as one of the great PvP guilds on my server...thanks for trying to make me look like an a$$, when it is actually you who now look bad...
Also, I'm not asking for the moon and stars, I'm asking simply for another damage type, and better class resists to damages...TKA has almost nothing other than melee defenses...
Message Edited by Kiseit on 03-30-2004 10:34 AM
You know, he wasn't really lecturing.. he was disagreeing respectfully. You reminisce about being able to solo a Krayt, though the devs have already stated that no one should EVER be able to solo a krayt, whatever combat template he/she may have created. Simply put, TKM is powerful enough. We can heal our own wounds, buff our main pools by 550, and knock a person out of the fight in one attack. The damage type may be a problem, but the fact that we have so much going for us sort of outweighs our obvious weakness.
you have GOT to be kidding me
are you actually quite serious?
nah your joking right, tell me your joking before you keep making yourself look like a idiot!
first thing - jawa ion rifles effects EVERYBODY. its not just tka that is effected by this gun its everyone due to the low stun resists on armor.
second issue - ok, how many people do you know that can produce fire with their bare hands? shoot electricity when holding a piece of metal? look we are UNARMED fighters. the reason we have vibroknucklers and not gloves is because not all races can wear gloves! so to make this fair they gave us a weapon which boosts our already powerful attacks! doing anything except kinetic damage in combat is completely retarded (i also question if this applies to you).
next issue - "we should be able to hold our own against a group" my god, i think i should post this comment in every other profession board and watch them rip hell out of you. this comment is both irrational and stupid. ignoring the past where tka's came from and why they are here why should WE, a tkm, someone who has spent the same amount of skill points as any other combat profession (except BH + commando) be able to take down a group of people? we should be able to defeat some combat professions in a 1v1 , and be beaten by others. this brings BALANCE to combat. certain professions being strong vs some but weak vs others. TKA is the elite melee profession. in a 1v1 with any othermelee prof i have never been beaten. completly fair fights, armored+unarmored, buffed + unbuffed.
the only way to make tka more alike the story is to completely revamp the proffession.
they should change tka being after unarmed fighting and change it to something like "street brawler" or something like that (only a suggestion but you know what i mean with it). afaik, there were not a lot of tkm's around. how about making a 2nd force sensitive slot to unlock tka. we are supposed to have similiar force sensitivity as a jedi but we learn to control and balance etc etc. either that or make it a high costing elite profession like bounty hunter. BH takes nearly all your skill points. how about making a tka a cross between two professions. (unsure what but the idea is there).
right now tka's are fine the way the are. so what if we are no longer the elite in pvp, lemme guess, you ran into a battle , got targeted by 4 rifleman who all shot you in the head? oh boo hoo. they would have killed any profession. only thing i think is wrong with tka is our attack is TOO powerful. not by much but it could be nerfed a bit.
I myself find as a tkm/master doc i can take on a hell of a lot of things, not to mention last a while in pvp combat!
and as for solo'ing a krayt - you have got to be kidding me!
NOBODY should be able to solo a krayt, a krayt should take at least a group of 20 elite professions to bring it down!
well i await the creator of this thread to make some kinda of dumbass flame back at me and watch him make more of a fool of himself that he realises.
Uh, calm down dude.He wasn't trying to make you look bad. He was just pointing out some facts. No need to go flying off the handle in the face of an actual discussion. If you can't accept dissenting views than perhaps you are best not posting in a public forum.
Kiseit wrote:
Don't sit here and lecture me about how to PvP and play this game...unless you have been playing as long as I have, and can remember a TKM being able to completly solo a kray with no problems or tanks...(hence the story...)
I know how to PvP, very well thank you, and my guild has been acclaimed as one of the great PvP guilds on my server...thanks for trying to make me look like an a$$, when it is actually you who now look bad...
Also, I'm not asking for the moon and stars, I'm asking simply for another damage type, and better class resists to damages...TKA has almost nothing other than melee defenses...
Message Edited by Kiseit on 03-30-2004 10:34 AM
Message Edited by Burr on 03-30-2004 01:39 PM
Burr wrote:Uh, calm down dude.He wasn't trying to make you look bad. He was just pointing out some facts. No need to go flying off the handle in the face of an actual discussion. If you can't accept dissenting views than perhaps you are best not posting in a public forum.
Kiseit wrote:
Don't sit here and lecture me about how to PvP and play this game...unless you have been playing as long as I have, and can remember a TKM being able to completly solo a kray with no problems or tanks...(hence the story...)
I know how to PvP, very well thank you, and my guild has been acclaimed as one of the great PvP guilds on my server...thanks for trying to make me look like an a$$, when it is actually you who now look bad...
Also, I'm not asking for the moon and stars, I'm asking simply for another damage type, and better class resists to damages...TKA has almost nothing other than melee defenses...Message Edited by Kiseit on 03-30-2004 10:34 AM
Message Edited by Burr on 03-30-2004 01:39 PM
I want to apoligize to everyone that has started flamming me, and that I have flammed in this thread. I never meant for this to get that out of hand, only as a discussion peice.
To comment on some of the things said here:
A: I know that the devs have said that nobody should be able to solo a krayt, and that is why they bumped the HAM up, but when you have been playing this game as long as I have, you have done and seen many things, including soloing a krayt...Yes, no lies, I did that when I first got TKM, with no pet to tank. I got buffed, threw on my ubese(comp was fairly rare then, and much more overpriced than now...), and went right after it, and like I said, after about an hour or so, I finally took it down.
B: I was never saying anything specificlly about TKA's are the only ones effected by jawa's and stun guns of the sort, I was simply pointing out that as a TKM, going into battle, I have to watch my mind pool all the time, most of the time, I am able to fend of wanna-be killers, and the fact that I have feign death helps tremendously, but it still has an effect our profession, that is all I was stating...
C: I understand that this is a topic for discussion, but how can anybody think that we are too overpowered still?!? I am open to all reasoning that supports this statement, please, tell me why you think so...
D: EVERY OTHER COMBAT PROFESSION HAS AT LEAST 2 TYPES OF DAMAGE!!! We have one...kinetic...it is extremely hard for people (myself and others included...) to fight a good fight in PvP when people are wearing 80% kinetic resist armor. I know that someone said earlier that we were not the only ones without 2 types of damage or more...well...I hate to say it, but we are...
here is a listing of combat profs and at least how many damage types I can count from their professions:
TKA - 1 TYPE
Pikeman - 2 types
Fencer - 2 types
Swordsman - 2 types
Rifleman - 3 types
Pistoleer - 3 types
Carbineer - 2 types
BH - 2 types
Commando - 4 types
Smuggler - (pistol skills) at least 2 types
I may be forgetting some, but I didn't think I did...as you can see, WE ARE THE ONLY PROFESSION WITH ONE TYPE OF DAMAGE! We really need to at least fix this...