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Thread: How to beat a jedi in pvp

Abdiso
Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:13 pm
#1

hi would like to know what tactics should i use to beat some full templtaed jedi




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Oss_Wilum
Sun Aug 14, 2005 3:25 pm
#2


TKM/Mswords/4000Doc > jedi


thats all you have to know.


it's also worthy to note that the armorbreak sliced armor severely weakens jedi damage, so if you have a melee template that allows you to wear some good armor, use it.



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quitch
Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:13 pm
#3

thats a good template, but there are better. if you want to use AB sliced armor, i dont see much point in tkm. only get what you need (3400 for me) and get more fencer/doc/pikes, whatever.


what i do is start off with AB, deal a lot of damage. if you have a high damage weapon, you should be able to do this fine. deal damage, then KD when they are low before heal, dish more damage, with AB on. also, before the duel, check to see which icon is their aura. when their aura is about up, KD them. that gives you more damage, and messes up their macro. make sure you have COB on all the time. for equipment, stims and bacta jab enhancers help a lot. if you have fencer bind, use that. use dizzy if you have that. thats basically it. also, if you are halfway with health, dont wait to heal. heal right away, cause if you get KD'd at the wrong time, it could be over





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crowmedic
Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:15 pm
#4

Duel them alot and you will learn fast.



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Zarqon
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:35 am
#5






quitch wrote:

thats a good template, but there are better. if you want to use AB sliced armor, i dont see much point in tkm. only get what you need (3400 for me) and get more fencer/doc/pikes, whatever.


what i do is start off with AB, deal a lot of damage. if you have a high damage weapon, you should be able to do this fine. deal damage, then KD when they are low before heal, dish more damage, with AB on. also, before the duel, check to see which icon is their aura. when their aura is about up, KD them. that gives you more damage, and messes up their macro. make sure you have COB on all the time. for equipment, stims and bacta jab enhancers help a lot. if you have fencer bind, use that. use dizzy if you have that. thats basically it. also, if you are halfway with health, dont wait to heal. heal right away, cause if you get KD'd at the wrong time, it could be over








I see exactly that kind of tip a lot, but I can't really see how that works against the MLS/Mdef combo, if the jedi has a good saber. The jedi simply has better versions of every move you have listed. Aura has no zip bar like CoB, saber AB sticks more often than the 2-h version, sabers can have better dps than hammers/fists. They have all thestates stun/dizzy/blind, and can apply it very fast due to low saber speed.


I ask: what do a normal melee prof have, that can outdo that?






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P4UL
Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:34 am
#6

Well I find TKM/MSwordsman/4000 Doc to mess, ive used it already but its decent if you have a max damage power hammer but if you only plan to use swords then TKM is pointless.

I use TKM/0034 Swordsman/0040 Fencer/ 4004 Doc, I can self buff etc but when in a fight with my katarns which are ADK'ed and have damage power up on it I hit jedi really hard, after the first KD i tend to just /kneel so I regen quicker, I take the 100+ melee defence food and put a blind on them, then I just keep AB on and do normal hits till there lower than half and do Critical/body/head hit and it normally kills them.


^^not written very well my bad

Thats for duels works for pvp but pvp is easier If they arnt focusing on you, you can whip out the damage so quick and so hard they drop quick.



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Riemei
Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:40 am
#7

There's a couple of things you need tobear in mindwhen you're going up against a full-templated Jedi:it's likely that they'resuperior to you in almost every way, the two notable unknowns being the quality of their saber (thanks tothe nonexistance ofpremium/flawless crystals andthe problems Jedi have withtuning) and their innate armour (which may or may not be superior to yours depending on whether they're an MDef).


The biggest advantage non-Jedi have over Jedi is an advantage that our profession doesn't have, that being armour. You can get a suit of armour layered for energy resists and sliced for 75% armour break immunity. The biggest disadvantage is that we can't frontload damage on Jedi because it's almost impossible to speedkill one with anything in their force pool unless they make a huge blunder, and they can often outdamage and outlast us ina longfight.


Most of your wins against Jedi willbebecause ofthe Jedi's inexperience or simple human error regardless,but if you're serious about pvp then frankly you don't want TKM in your template. 21xx is the limit for maximising your effectiveness, because you will always be better off wearing armour in pvp. Try something like MBrawler, MPike, TKA x1xx, Sword xx3x, Doc 4004, Combat Prowess xxx4. If you're keen on keeping TKM like me, then the best advice I can give is to get down on your hands and knees and pray the guy doesn't know what he's doing. That and drop your extra cash on something like mushroom pie, they'll be surprised if you play thatcard. Our profession is way too predictable in a fight, try and come up with ways of setting the guy you're fighting off balance.
P4UL
Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:31 am
#8

I can kill jedi without armor



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Zarqon
Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:57 am
#9






P4UL wrote:
I can kill jedi without armor







care to elaborate on that? I'mvery interested to know how to kill an MLS/Mdef without armor.






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Riemei
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:22 am
#10

Yes, I've beatenJedi on a couple ofoccasions as well, butmostlybecause of their mistakes or even sheer luck. Logistically, it should beimpossible formostany TKM template to defeat a full-templated Jedi with, say, enhancement 3xx2, healing 4xxx,saber 0404 and mdef. They have all the advantages:innate armour superior to ours, avoid incap,a combat speed buff equivalent to adrenal boost, a guaranteed 1500 point heal that can be used at will even through KD, an icob with no warmup, an armour break superior to what we get from dabbling in swordsman, a ranged knockdown, a root, a snare...
Abdiso
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:51 am
#11



at the moment i can do about 900-1000 in pvp with AB on a jedi and even more if hes knocked down so if you know what the jedi is gonna do you can probably beat him i have faced many overt jedis (not boasting i did get beaten by some full temps) and most of them were full temps im sure its gonna be a long fight but with the right food and buffs and shouldnt be a problem all of you complaining saying oh you can never beat a jedi and it is hard that obviously shows you havent learned more about your proffession or your temp sucks.



and remember without tkm you wouldnt last a min against full temp jedi altough our dmg needs improving beacuse we are tank



many jedis have said that tkm is sometimes impossible to hit with improvedCOB

Message Edited by Abdiso on 08-15-2005 09:52 AM




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Riemei
Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:08 am
#12

The only thing that makes us difficult to hit is icob. Our skillset gives usfully 10 extra points of melee defense over a master pikeman. If you took mpike and TKA x1xx for icob, you'd be only infinitesimally easier to hit, and you'dget potentially75% immunity to armour break and higher energy resists from battle armour.


I can't see how you could possibly be doing that much damage to Jedi with just AB and a KK, unless they aren't using aura and/or have nothing in defense. I had a hard time getting hits that high when I was using a power hammer.


Didn't you come here looking for other peoples' opinions on fighting Jedi? Now you're having a go at us? If you're already slaying Jedi left and right, why did you start this thread to begin with?
P4UL
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:56 pm
#13

basicly it comes down to knowing what your doing but i spend my time /knelt while blinding them, with the right food I can tank there hits and I regen decently, eventually they will run or they will start healing when they heal I put the damage on which tends to mean they have lost AI.



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