Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Good luck getting pvp kills once the next publish hits
HadesApailae
Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:57 am
#92
Ok for one thing, TKA's always said to leave their profession alone it is the only one that works, change the others to balance it. Fine your profession is the same and the others are being changed to balance it ... got your wish so stop complaining. It is NOT a nerf, obviously the dev see something is wrong so they are giving us compensation for it. I am a pistoleer and I know I will buy truckloads of that food when itgoes live. I will be outside startport DB'ing TKA's to hell as well
. I am a pistoleer so I can run and shoot with no penalty. It will besatisfying to get my payback. If you say this is unfair then what exactly is unfair about it? You are saying you can only beat me if I am laying on my back and can't get up. At least you have a chance to run up to me where as I cannot even hit you once. And please no "just stand" BS or "learn how to play" Everyone knows that when you fall it is over ... just spam KD/ Dizzy, it NEVER misses. I saw ONE TKA send 7 different proffesions to the clone center about 5 times.Again this is not a nerf ... your moves are not being touched at all. heh
. I am a pistoleer so I can run and shoot with no penalty. It will besatisfying to get my payback. If you say this is unfair then what exactly is unfair about it? You are saying you can only beat me if I am laying on my back and can't get up. At least you have a chance to run up to me where as I cannot even hit you once. And please no "just stand" BS or "learn how to play" Everyone knows that when you fall it is over ... just spam KD/ Dizzy, it NEVER misses. I saw ONE TKA send 7 different proffesions to the clone center about 5 times.Again this is not a nerf ... your moves are not being touched at all. heh
Cidem_Relaeh
Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:03 am
#93
Ya'll need to stop feeding the troll. 
You do realize Atone is just egging people on? I mean come on, NO one is that stupid.
You do realize Atone is just egging people on? I mean come on, NO one is that stupid.
atone48732
Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:05 am
#94
yea its a nerf
They are basically just handing the ranged cowards another advantage over us
IT is BULL**edit**!!! You know it and I know it
You guys can run away and we cannot hit you and do any damage or whatever. Now how is that fair?
its not. Its cowardly!!! VERY COWARDLY
well melee once again we are taking it up the ass
*sigh*
**edit** devs and there prefering ranged
AriesFusion
Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:17 am
#95
I'm goin to add my words of wisdom on this board. I have been complimented about my ability to see the situation from both sides and hopefully i can calm the fire. A bit of background, I have been a teras kasi master for 2 months now, and I don't stack with another combat profession.
The removal of knock down 2 is not the end of the world. If you dizzy, and then lunge, you get the same effect, a dizzied knocked down person. atone is, an idiot. He is a noob that can only KD2, and then spam specials. The removal of ONE move is the end of his world. So now we have to use 2 moves instead of one. We are one of the only classes that can attack so fast while pin pointing which stat we want to take from. Atone, learn to use your professions disadvantages and advantages. Read the manual that came with your game, on page 101. I would like to fool myself and believe we will get an additional damage type, or some sort of DOT. We are in the front lines, taking all the damage, dealing most of the blows. You better believe we can make something bleed. With this being said I leave you with a story.
There was a martial artist that was walking down the streets. He was a black belt, he was the best black belt the world had ever seen. A man stepped out of an alley, and asked the martial artist how good he was. The martial artist went through a kata, lighting fast fists, kicks that would put a hole in someone. The man said "That is very impressive", and then took out a gun and shot the martial artist. The martial artist died.
Ipseck
Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:19 pm
#97
I don't get all this complaining about kiting and KD not always sticking.
TK is only 90some-odd skill points. Heres an idea: Pick up a ranged profession and shoot back. There shouldn't be any uber profession that's good in every situation. You need to build a character that can do several things well. Its in the game already, so don't sit here and complain that someone's running away from you.. just pick up a pistol and shoot em.
TK is only 90some-odd skill points. Heres an idea: Pick up a ranged profession and shoot back. There shouldn't be any uber profession that's good in every situation. You need to build a character that can do several things well. Its in the game already, so don't sit here and complain that someone's running away from you.. just pick up a pistol and shoot em.
95M3
Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:18 pm
#98
I think that kiteing or running is perfectly fine it seems to keep ranged vrs melee in ballance.
If you are ranged try to stay some distance and if you are melee try to close the distance plain and simple.
If I am not mistaken running while fireing has a negative to hit factor. I am not sure if it is realistic to have the same negative factor regardless if your whole torso is turned around or not. As well as running blindly with your head and torso faceing the opposite direction. Maybe a run speed modifier needs to be taken into consideration when you run with your head/torso twisted backwards so a player can not Kite for too long.
Think about it take two track runners one facing forwars and the other facing backwards and see who will win? Not soo realistic but I can deal with it.
Ranged advantage is Kiteing and melee advantage is stopping you from getting away KD etc.
The many players are right just learn to fight with the advantages you have. Like most modern hunters dont just let the bear run up to them and eat them. They shoot them from 200 yards away and hopefully drop them before they get in range.
WharlThon
Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:05 pm
#99
I think all of you are concentrating too much on what atone wants, and not the issue at hand. The issue is whether or not KD/Dizzy should be "nerfed."
My personal opinion is no. I feel that KD is a viable balance to ranged combatants "kiting," All you ranged people speaking out of anger need to be ignored by the people who want to actually discuss this topic, or stop posting. Sure, it's angers ranged people to be KD'd and then pummeled to death, but at the same time it angers melee'rs to be kited around and killed.
Open your eyes, Kiting and KD are the same thing. To say "KD should be nerfed because IF I get KD'd I'm done for" is a lame and unsupported excuse. The same could be said for Kiting, "Melee shouldn't be able to run and shoot at the same time because if they do I get slaughtered because I can't catch them!" Open your eyes, this isn't about your personal experience and I don't think the devs will base their decision on this because a couple ranged people can't run well enough.
The fact is, Kiting has a somewhat better chance of succeeding than KD/Dizzy all around. Look at the facts! You have to be within what? 10m of a person to KD/Dizzy. Dizzy doesn't always land and sometimes you can miss all together, where kiting a melee person around is rather simple, you just have to stay beyond 10m of them and it's usually over, unless you mess up.The range of most guns is about40m for decent accuracy, and what 64 max? Plus you can get powerups that extend range?Then again, you can mess up as a meleer trying to chase someone down.
Anyway, whether or not a ranged person should have to stand their and be beat on by a meleer and if it's cowardly or not ISN'T the topic of this post. The topic is, should KD/Dizzy be nerfed. Lets get back on track here.
Please, someone post some decent arguements, for or against. This bickering is becoming redundant and rediculous. I would hate to be the dev that has to read through 100 flame posts to get to the few decent ones.
Like I said, I think KD/Dizzy is fine as it is. A few ranged combatants complaining about getting theirbut kicked shouldn't be the reason KD/Dizzy is nerfed. If it's over powered, WHY is it overpowered? I'm sure you ranged people can give me legitimate reasons.
Cevirz, Retired Teras Kasi Master
Master Doctor
Kauri Rebel Alliance
Kauri Server
WharlThon
Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:09 pm
#100
I made some funny mistakes in my previous post, like meleer's kiting around meleers? lol anyway, You all know whatI meant 
Cevirz, Reitred Teras Kasi Master
Master Doctor
Kauri Rebel Alliance
Kauri Server
Bogak
Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:18 pm
#102
Spamming KD/Dizzy is going to get harder in PVP. But just wanted to clarify one thing
JerMoo wrote:
SEPERATE THEDIZZY/KD INTO TWO DIFFERENT MOVES
TK already has this seperated, Power 1 gives a dizzy move and balance 1 gives a basic KD move..
Balance 4 give the KD/Dizzy combo.
Just wanted to clarity that up.
XBlue
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:34 am
#103
atone48732 wrote:
Nice story.
But you know what it prooves?
They guy with the gun is a coward
He hid behind a gun to defeat the martial artist
So all that story prooves is only a coward would use a gun
So there
A gun is a cowards weapon
lol My god are you stupid.
Neok
Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:21 am
#104
Hmmm...my first post here. I'm a TKA and DOC and i always own in battle, why? Because i came up with a strategy. I don't like the ppl who kites but hey why don't you guys make them play you're style? Run in the other way too.... and find a good tight place, they will follow 100%...and after that do the TKA MAGIC...
and find a good tight place, they will follow 100%...and after that do the TKA MAGIC... And about this defense...it will be very good, cause you will KD and DIZZY very easy, 2-3 times...and they're down.
Watch, Learn and Study the cities...they will be your fortress...Open Field ( death ). That's our life and we have to get used to it.