Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: OT: Name Your Martial Art
Riogar_Daylighter
Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:20 am
#66
Well I studied Chito Ryu (sp?) Karate.I also done some weapons training in the bo staff.I was deadly with a broom handle 
RyadhiMakkar
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:17 am
#67
I'm impressed with the variety of styles everyone is taking. Quite a diversity here.
I'd also like to point out the difference between external (karate, Tae Kwon Do) and internal (Aikido, Hapkido). External styles depend on the user to use their own enrgy is defense of an attack while internal styles rely on the use of your opponents energy. While internal styles are more powerful, they require years of experience and training since the effectiveness relies on timing and anticipation.
I just started taking Hapkido. I've always been amazed with the masters of this style, particularly after watching 20 black belts (myself included) take on a Hapkido master-getting slaughtered and the master not even breathing hard after 10 mins of hard combat. Simply amazing!
TravonLepen
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:25 am
#68
I wouldn't necessarily say internal styles are "more powerful", just different. My ideal of complete self defense involves learning both a "circular" and "linear" style. They have different benefits, like the physical conditioning of a "hard" style, and the mental conditioning of a "soft" style. I think they combine nicely to give a person the ability to defend themselves from nearly any type of attack.
Pirrg-Freemoon
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:01 am
#69
I studied tae kwon do when i was younger and during these past 8 months i have beengoing tokickboxing and muay thai, very specialized on competitions. Nothing will put you in better shape then kickboxing and muay thai. www.sherdog.net is a great forum for martial artists.
Pirrg-Freemoon
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:07 am
#70
MonkeyofDoom wrote:
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Why? because anyone below that age obviously cannot possess the sort of strength that can overcome an adult.
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Yes, but if you're taught the proper techniques, strength doesn't come into it. Whilst some Martial Arts do concentrate on strength and power techniques (usually newer ones), most are about disabling/overcoming an opponent using their own force or by applying techniques that do not require strength. Jab a knuckle into an attackers ribcage in the right spot, for example, and no matter how big the difference in your sizes, you'll take them down.
You dont have to be a martial artist to know that hittingthe solar plexus makes people go down.
Zentou
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:42 pm
#71
Im Currently 15 years of age (16 rather soon) I study In Hapkido,Tae kwon Do,Judo and my sword art Kendo.
Some people have made a point of a child not being able to wear a black belt to fully understand it.
I Disagree.Not just to be difficult naturaly.But I think one truly deserving of black belt has...I dont want to say mastered there style.Everyone in here who knows martial arts would agree Black belt does not make you a Master of your style by any means.But rather...Be sufficient in or beyond suitable in completeling nessiasry requirments within the art itself.Though many children now days have become immature and arrogant.I and a few people I know have not.Judging all kids the same way is a bad idea.I personaly think A child deserving of a black belt though does need to show certain distinguished qualaties.Not only suitable in his sstyle.But as well Moral abilities.Knowing right and wrong.Also needing of a High degree of respect and dicaplin.(sorry if my spelling is strange im a good Martial artist but a terrible speller.).Moral principals of martial arts are an important quality.Esspecialy in much Not ALL of todays Youth.Many unfortuantly Lack such traits.most unfortuantly many believe martial arts are even useless in the day of age.Being that a Gun can solve everything in the real word.Unfortuante as it is this is how many think.I personaly Love Martial Arts and it is one of two things that put me at ease as well as excitment.This was basicaly my only point.Try not to rate all youths at such a low level of esteem.Its dishonorable to under estimate an opponate or fellow Martial artist simply by age.
THank you everyone and have a most excelent Day and best of luck to you all in your Training.
Some people have made a point of a child not being able to wear a black belt to fully understand it.
I Disagree.Not just to be difficult naturaly.But I think one truly deserving of black belt has...I dont want to say mastered there style.Everyone in here who knows martial arts would agree Black belt does not make you a Master of your style by any means.But rather...Be sufficient in or beyond suitable in completeling nessiasry requirments within the art itself.Though many children now days have become immature and arrogant.I and a few people I know have not.Judging all kids the same way is a bad idea.I personaly think A child deserving of a black belt though does need to show certain distinguished qualaties.Not only suitable in his sstyle.But as well Moral abilities.Knowing right and wrong.Also needing of a High degree of respect and dicaplin.(sorry if my spelling is strange im a good Martial artist but a terrible speller.).Moral principals of martial arts are an important quality.Esspecialy in much Not ALL of todays Youth.Many unfortuantly Lack such traits.most unfortuantly many believe martial arts are even useless in the day of age.Being that a Gun can solve everything in the real word.Unfortuante as it is this is how many think.I personaly Love Martial Arts and it is one of two things that put me at ease as well as excitment.This was basicaly my only point.Try not to rate all youths at such a low level of esteem.Its dishonorable to under estimate an opponate or fellow Martial artist simply by age.
THank you everyone and have a most excelent Day and best of luck to you all in your Training.
Ryutek
Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:52 pm
#72
Zentou,
Excellent post (although it did take me a moment to read it, paragraphs are your friend, honest 
). The main reason I think many people feel that a younger person should not be able to receive a Black Belt in a particular art is because too many places specialize in "sport" training, and thus "hand out" belts to anyone they can to make their business (I do not even classify them as a school) look good.
). The main reason I think many people feel that a younger person should not be able to receive a Black Belt in a particular art is because too many places specialize in "sport" training, and thus "hand out" belts to anyone they can to make their business (I do not even classify them as a school) look good.If you demonstrate proficiency in your chosen style and the mental capacity to underrstand that which you are dedicating yourself to, then yes, you deserve to wear a Black Belt.
Zentou
Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:18 pm
#73
Ryutek,
LOL yes along with spelling the sentence structure is another weak point Lol.Sorry about that Ill try to do better.
But yes I can defedently understand where you do come from about the more "sporting" type Martial arts and I to do not exactly see them as school.Or correct ones anyway.I used to take a more....Sporty style Tae kwon do when younger.But I sorta relised there was something wrong with it.So I decided to wait a couple years to get a little smaerter and a tad bit older and then take it somewhere else.I train currntly with an 8th Degree Grandmaster (8th degree in the 3 hand to hand styles Im unsure how his rank is in Kendo).
Hes a strict man yet VERY good teacher.I respect him very much.I havnt realy been taking long with him.
But i can tell it will be excelent.But yes Anywho I understand where you are coming from for sure.I guess I sort of blocked the more "sport" oriented style "schools".But what I more meant to say I suppose was thoughs who are younger but take with someone of a High Rank and obviously very passionate about his work.Sorry for being unclear.
And naturaly looks like I messed up on my sentence structure again LOL sorry.
Anyway Have a good day and thanks man for point that out.And naturaly good luck to everyone in advancment.
LOL yes along with spelling the sentence structure is another weak point Lol.Sorry about that Ill try to do better.
But yes I can defedently understand where you do come from about the more "sporting" type Martial arts and I to do not exactly see them as school.Or correct ones anyway.I used to take a more....Sporty style Tae kwon do when younger.But I sorta relised there was something wrong with it.So I decided to wait a couple years to get a little smaerter and a tad bit older and then take it somewhere else.I train currntly with an 8th Degree Grandmaster (8th degree in the 3 hand to hand styles Im unsure how his rank is in Kendo).
Hes a strict man yet VERY good teacher.I respect him very much.I havnt realy been taking long with him.
But i can tell it will be excelent.But yes Anywho I understand where you are coming from for sure.I guess I sort of blocked the more "sport" oriented style "schools".But what I more meant to say I suppose was thoughs who are younger but take with someone of a High Rank and obviously very passionate about his work.Sorry for being unclear.
And naturaly looks like I messed up on my sentence structure again LOL sorry.
Anyway Have a good day and thanks man for point that out.And naturaly good luck to everyone in advancment.
TravonLepen
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:30 am
#74
Just wanted to point out something. Not that I am disputing your instructors rank, but I wanted to post something for anyone who is reading this and interested in taking up a martial art. Any instructor who "develops" his or her own style retains that right to give themselves any rank they wish, up to 10th degree, or Grandmaster. Unfortunately there are a lot of 30-35 year old"grandmasters" that are operating schools all over the place. A few things to look for are...
1.) The intructor doesn't have a set history of his art?
2.)he can't name his instructor, most people, even those who run schools, take their lessons from someone else, (most high level black belts can name exactly who they learned from)... until they are designated a "master" by that instructor.
3.)I've seen places where students are allowed to make their own forms or katas, in other words there is no set curriculum or training plan or schedule. There should be a certain skill set you have become proficient in based on the belt system, or in a non-belt style, there are certain things you should know based on the amount of time you've spent training.
YamatoKirawa
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:59 am
#75
On the whole "not giving junior students black belts" piece:
There are some junior students at my school who do not wear one who I know deserve one. There are also many adults in the school who either already wear one or are well on their way who I know do not have the understanding of the system and its concepts needed. I think it's very case driven as to who has teh understanding necessary, there are many juniors out there that flat out SHOULD NOT achieve that high of a rank at their current age/maturity, but there are some who should.
SilLum
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:59 am
#76
Some good stuff floating around on this thread; as for the children and black belt issue, I'm perfectly aware that black belt does not really mean `mastery` in the art - but being honest with oneself, it does, in 90 percent of cases, mean that you have achieved a high profiency in the art, at least in contrast to a normal person. And that's only the watered down version - by large, the population believes that a black belt is THE master of the art.
Such a symbol cannot be awarded to someone who is 6. It just plain silly. Think of it this way; a child, fighting a powerful adult in tournament rules, can (WITH the specific restrictions enforced for the match) kick the adults ass. Outside of the match, even an untrained adult will overcome a 6 year old with ease. I mean, don't even try to sell me the `kicking the groin or jabbing the eyes` trick. Of course, I'm not saying these things don't work. They're highly powerful weapons on the street, but can you imagine a 6 year old, who is calm and mature enough to block out the feelings rooting him to a spot when attacked, and actually then applying these weapons affectively?
In fact, all the adult would have to do is attack in one, unstoppable rush, using raw strength.
I would say 16/17 at the least. Because by then, you can develop the sufficient power to match up well against an adult, reinforcing it with technique..a child has no hope. It reminds me of that silly `3 ninjas` movie, where all the little 8 and 9 year olds beat the adults up...funny stuff.
And Travon, I agree...the amount of hokey master's out there is hilarious. I hear things such as they make sparring consist of `tapping the opponent on the head` to signify points. And some ban sparring saying `Martial arts is too dangerous to fool around with!`. Some Authors, like Davis Miller, studied Karate until brown belt, hitting nothing but air. When it came to a real fight, he went in confidently, and got the stuffing battered out of him...he didn't even hit the other guy.
Oh, and how do you find Judo Travon? I was thinking of taking it up, as my skills in throwing/grappling is pretty shoddy..I was also impressed, when I once sparred a Judo guy. Had to resort to boxing eventually, as he was fast to grab at the legs.
Such a symbol cannot be awarded to someone who is 6. It just plain silly. Think of it this way; a child, fighting a powerful adult in tournament rules, can (WITH the specific restrictions enforced for the match) kick the adults ass. Outside of the match, even an untrained adult will overcome a 6 year old with ease. I mean, don't even try to sell me the `kicking the groin or jabbing the eyes` trick. Of course, I'm not saying these things don't work. They're highly powerful weapons on the street, but can you imagine a 6 year old, who is calm and mature enough to block out the feelings rooting him to a spot when attacked, and actually then applying these weapons affectively?
In fact, all the adult would have to do is attack in one, unstoppable rush, using raw strength.
I would say 16/17 at the least. Because by then, you can develop the sufficient power to match up well against an adult, reinforcing it with technique..a child has no hope. It reminds me of that silly `3 ninjas` movie, where all the little 8 and 9 year olds beat the adults up...funny stuff.
And Travon, I agree...the amount of hokey master's out there is hilarious. I hear things such as they make sparring consist of `tapping the opponent on the head` to signify points. And some ban sparring saying `Martial arts is too dangerous to fool around with!`. Some Authors, like Davis Miller, studied Karate until brown belt, hitting nothing but air. When it came to a real fight, he went in confidently, and got the stuffing battered out of him...he didn't even hit the other guy.
Oh, and how do you find Judo Travon? I was thinking of taking it up, as my skills in throwing/grappling is pretty shoddy..I was also impressed, when I once sparred a Judo guy. Had to resort to boxing eventually, as he was fast to grab at the legs.
Draconicius
Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:32 am
#77
Formal : Tae-Kwon-Do , Kung Fu , Karate , Judo
Informal : Aikido , Muy-Thai, Various weapon styles.
Still practice on occasion.. but I know my skills have slipped.
TravonLepen
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:27 am
#78
Oh, and how do you find Judo Travon? I was thinking of taking it up, as my skills in throwing/grappling is pretty shoddy..I was also impressed, when I once sparred a Judo guy. Had to resort to boxing eventually, as he was fast to grab at the legs.
i am loving Judo, it works perfectly for me since I have short arms, short legs, a low center of gravity, and a more muscular profile. I would recommend it to anyone who wrestled in H.S. Right now I'm really focusing on closing the distance between me and my opponent in a more efficint manner, and I have bought some language software to start learning Japanese, it will come in very handy for you, as the Japanese don't like to break tradition, and translate the names of techniques to English.I tihnk it's great, and I wished more Western instructors learned how to speak the language from the country the art originated in.....
lol, I always ramble...