Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: OFFENSE 3 !?!?!
iijin wrote:
Vander_Legion wrote:
believe or dont believe what you want. doesn't change the fact that it's true.
What...that you were MCM? why did you got to swords? my guess is for more offense....
or because mixing ranged/melee isnt that great an idea anymore
quitch wrote:
iijin wrote:
Vander_Legion wrote:
believe or dont believe what you want. doesn't change the fact that it's true.
What...that you were MCM? why did you got to swords? my guess is for more offense....
or because mixing ranged/melee isnt that great an idea anymore
I'm not really mixing ranged and melee, I have ranged support tree because its a CM pre-req.
iijin wrote:
TravonLepen wrote:
...quite a few who don't think so as well
Mainly just you and vander......and beside both of you being swordsman, you really aren't bringing any fact to the discussion. Seems like every oposing post is just "your crazy, I can beat jedi" or "I don't think so". which is fine, but bring something besides just your impression. Really, look at what we are as just TKA and what they stated we would be, also where other profession are in terms of specials, weapons, damage and defense.
The same place we were before:we havethe highest defense of any nonjedi profession, but only because ofan abilitythat any meleecharacter can pick up for a negligable skill point cost. Meanwhile we haveeasily the lowest offense of any melee profession, with noreal stateeffects to speak of,the worst offensive abilities of the four and practicallyzero variation in weaponry. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until people take note: there is no point inhaving TKM except for innate armour, which is dwarfed in every respect by crafted armour. I am not advocating making innate armour better than it is, because I understand that it needs to remain balanced, but for God's sake, there needs to be more to our profession to make TKM worth having. FoW should do something. Icob should be a tier 3 or 4 ability, not tier 1. We should have a second high-endoffensive ability in place of the worthless dizzy attack - no combat profession should be forced to rely on another profession's abilities for their damage output (the same goes for the fencers, who I also feel for). Stop me if you think I'm asking too much here.
Riemei wrote:
Funny how things look different depending on where you're sitting... fencers are in no way an offense 4, their most damaging attack is a 3.2 multiplier and most of their crowd control abilities don't work properly at all. Their offense is only slightly better to ours and still terrible compared to a pikeman's.
not to mention that most of their offense come from new weapon loot and quest rewards.
Look at how pikes converted, they're higher than powerhammers now.
iijin wrote:
So fencer needs attention also...
as does swordsman and pikeman, if you look at their forums...
swordsman asking for more damage, pikeman want more defense, fencers want specials to work as intended...
iijin wrote:
TravonLepen wrote:
...quite a few who don't think so as well
Mainly just you and vander......and beside both of you being swordsman, you really aren't bringing any fact to the discussion. Seems like every oposing post is just "your crazy, I can beat jedi" or "I don't think so". which is fine, but bring something besides just your impression. Really, look at what we are as just TKA and what they stated we would be, also where other profession are in terms of specials, weapons, damage and defense.
Again I state that the fact that I'm swordsman has nothing to do with whether or not I think TKM does damage just fine. LIke I said, I thought we did damage just fine even when I was MCM. Of course, I could probably dump swordsman and pick up master doc or something and you would STILL make an argument saying that I was wrong or my opinion didnt matter for one reason or another. As for why I switched to swordsman, its not so much that i wanted swordsman as I wanted the Doc skills. I dumped MCM so I could get some doc for buffs and bacta infusion, but I didn't care about the other 2 trees or anything in master box so I didn't want to waste the skillpoints mastering the profession. I had a bunch of extra skill points so I figured I might as well get some swordsman for better offense. NOT because I don't think TKM does decent damage, but because swordsman does more, exactly as they are supposed to. Having decent damage doesnt mean I can't want more when i have it available from another profession, but it also doesnt mean that TKM doesnt do damage how it should or that TKM should do as much damage as someone with swordsman skills.
I do agree though that it would be nice to have another special, or somehting in place of Dizzy etc. And I'm definately on board with moving improved CoB up or lowering it and adding an advanced version to discourage dabbling to such good effect.
Message Edited by Vander_Legion on 08-15-2005 07:55 PM
iijin wrote:
TravonLepen wrote:
iijin wrote:
So fencer needs attention also...
as does swordsman and pikeman, if you look at their forums...
swordsman asking for more damage, pikeman want more defense, fencers want specials to work as intended...
I can't understand swordsman asking for more damage, but I guess they are entitled.
Pikeman only have 10 less melee defense than us and have access to 6500 resistance battle armor, so I'm not sure about that.
I can understand Fencer wanting their specials to work right, I have heard they are having a problem.
So Pikeman and Swordsman I'm not sure is valid, Fencer is bugged and we are completely lacking. Sounds like our offense behind repairing fencer is in the most dire of situtions, currently we are possibly the weakest profession available......besides commando
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tk needs more damage specials
fencer needs their specials fixed
thats basically the solution
TravonLepen wrote:
Riemei wrote:
Funny how things look different depending on where you're sitting... fencers are in no way an offense 4, their most damaging attack is a 3.2 multiplier and most of their crowd control abilities don't work properly at all. Their offense is only slightly better to ours and still terrible compared to a pikeman's.
not to mention that most of their offense come from new weapon loot and quest rewards.
Look at how pikes converted, they're higher than powerhammers now.
higher than some converted PH's, but PH are still better
TravonLepen wrote:
iijin wrote:
So fencer needs attention also...
as does swordsman and pikeman, if you look at their forums...
swordsman asking for more damage, pikeman want more defense, fencers want specials to work as intended...
i cant understand that pikeman wants more defense. a tkm/mpikeman or a temp with 0400 tk mpikes is the best non jedi tank in the game (if he has some doc)... intimidate, warcry and stun work wonders
and how swords wants more damage? dont make sense