Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: OFFENSE 3 !?!?!
quitch wrote:
and if you want to say, well pikeman was supposed to be offense 2, we should do more than them, look at the current situation:
tks - tank better than pikemen
pikemen - do more damage than tks
so their actualy ratings should be -
tk
offense: 2
defense: 5 = 7 points total
pikeman:
offense: 3
defense 4 = 7 points total
if tk has 1 point better defense, it makes SENSE to have pike have 1 more point in offense.
TK doesnt need to have more damage, that would unbalance it
yes my mistake, i was thining of 0-5, where 2.5 would be half 
but what youve just written there makes no sense, youve completely missed out crowd control..
if tk has 1 point better defence it does not make sense for pikeman to have 1 point better offence, they have much better crowd control to us. Therefore TK does need more offence so its balanced, atm its not balanced.
i did leave out crowd control, because that is not what people are complaining about. they are looking at that old sheet, and see:
pikeman:
offense 2
defense 4
tk:
offense 3
defense 5 since they dont do as much damage solo and what this sheet says, they want more
if a profession does more damage than you, then it should be able to take less, and that is the case
You are really exagerating this, when did I say we should do 2k in damage? and whats the big deal with not having to wear armor? pretty cool, but deffinantly doesn't make the profession....great and Doesn't everyone get to stack foods and spices?...thought so.
Ok, so how much of a damage increase do you recommend? Whyare you so adamant about it doing more damage? MCM/Commando not working for you against jedi?
MCM and Commando is working fine....for what it is intended for, TKM however is not....and you know what I'm going to rethink this, screw the extra damage 200-300 more would be nice, put us around the 900-1000 vs no resist BUT I would be happy to just see them move our min and max damage numbers closer together on more weapons that they should make available,say min 550 max 700 and give us 2-3 more specials that actually work properly.
So.... innate armor isn't good at all? You know it's far more than a "money saving" ability.
I have never said innate armor is no good, innate armor is cool.....but its nothing to really brag about, its just like wearing average battle armor with no AB slice capabilities.
The fact is, TK is quite viable on it's own.
I am sorry, I completely disagree...
BS, our combat and damage abilities are laughable...
I understand perfectly now, you must be a pvp'er.Explains a lot about why we don't see eye-to-eye.
Anything wrong with a PvP'er? we play this game too and I'm not strictly PvP but I do enjoy it and partake in it alot. hitting a player is alot different than hitting a CL78 Mob, and we do horrible damage in PvP, I feel he same way in PvE but in PvP its very very bad.
Vander_Legion wrote:
Im not QUITEFotM, but close enough.
the fact that i have swordsman though has absolutely no bearing on the fact that i think TKM is a 3 in offense. I don't even use the swordsman specials much anymore except for advanced armor break. I alternate melee hit and melee strike. The 3 trees of swordsman i have don't affect that in the slightest, so...
Drop swordsman and you may have a valid opinion, of course you think its fine first off your using Improved AB secondly as TKM your accuracy is 145 as TKM/Swords your accuracy is195 which as you know also helps damage. Not saying it shouldn't but no matter what specials you use just having swords will increase your offense.
Funny, I used to be TKM/MCM before i dropped MCM for the swords and doc skills. Still did good damage back then, still didnt have any complaints. Like I said, swordsman has nothing to do with the fact that I think TKM does damage just fine.
iijin wrote:
Vander_Legion wrote:
Im not QUITEFotM, but close enough.
the fact that i have swordsman though has absolutely no bearing on the fact that i think TKM is a 3 in offense. I don't even use the swordsman specials much anymore except for advanced armor break. I alternate melee hit and melee strike. The 3 trees of swordsman i have don't affect that in the slightest, so...
Drop swordsman and you may have a valid opinion, of course you think its fine first off your using Improved AB secondly as TKM your accuracy is 145 as TKM/Swords your accuracy is195 which as you know also helps damage. Not saying it shouldn't but no matter what specials you use just having swords will increase your offense.
Vander_Legion wrote:
Funny, I used to be TKM/MCM before i dropped MCM for the swords and doc skills. Still did good damage back then, still didnt have any complaints. Like I said, swordsman has nothing to do with the fact that I think TKM does damage just fine.
iijin wrote:
Vander_Legion wrote:
Funny, I used to be TKM/MCM before i dropped MCM for the swords and doc skills. Still did good damage back then, still didnt have any complaints. Like I said, swordsman has nothing to do with the fact that I think TKM does damage just fine.
I don't really believe you the MCM thing.........but it's your opinion, I think our offense is pathetic and there are quite a few that think so too.
believe or dont believe what you want. doesn't change the fact that it's true.
TravonLepen wrote:
...quite a few who don't think so as well
Mainly just you and vander......and beside both of you being swordsman, you really aren't bringing any fact to the discussion. Seems like every oposing post is just "your crazy, I can beat jedi" or "I don't think so". which is fine, but bring something besides just your impression. Really, look at what we are as just TKA and what they stated we would be, also where other profession are in terms of specials, weapons, damage and defense.
Vander_Legion wrote:
believe or dont believe what you want. doesn't change the fact that it's true.