Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: tka versus real martial arts
Elisar
Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:06 am
#40
Just last week I was trolling for trouble on Talus. I'm TKM and thats my only real combat skill. I was buffed with decent buffs high on brandy and ahrisa because i couldnt find entertainer buffs. I knew if i went to Tarkins Hold I would find an able bodied adversary. (Reb - case you couldnt tell). Wasnt trying to be rude like IMPs have a habit of being but was trying to gode someone into a duel. Overt is not an issue for me, cept when going overt would be pointless to my goals. Sure I wanted a fight, but i wanted a fight i had a chance of winning. Any veteran Rebel knows, you go ner Tarkins Hold overt, and there will be a welcoming commitee of 20 to greet you. So to make a short story long. I eventually worked out an agreement with one of their warriors, TREANA. I would go overt for a fight and she would keep it honest. And against Imperial doctrine, she did. There was a small amount of interference from a random Overt Reb that was coming from the REB NPC base near their city...but he didnt last 2 sec (sorry bout that bro). Soooo for over 45 min, we pounded the tar out of each other. I know she ws master TKM too with a full set of buffs and entertainer buffs. Not sure what else she was packing but it was a kung fu duel all the way. We went thru more than a couple muon downers and both capped the BF at 1000.. a first for me.
My vague point is... that was the best fight I'd ever been in. We ended up having to call a draw...neither could get a REAL advantage.
Though she did manage to incap me once, Force of Will negated that one. In all fairness, had we just stayed there forever, she would likely have beaten me. The entertainer buffs gave her a distinct advantage for self heals and specials, while i was steadily losing mind. I would can the specials to let it build again and so on, but i noticed something after we called the draw. I was out of muon... If we'd kept on til next downer, she woulda had me.
But it was fun. It was all about perseverance and patience and not about one hit kills. It goes against my constitution to compliment Imps in anything, cuz their usually pricks. (the 'bad guy' persona must be a character draw). But Treana gets Props from me for uncharacteristic moral Character and fortitude. Too bad she's on the wrong side. Would much rather fight with her than against her.
and to tie this post into the thread, thats all the REAL you need in this game. You know the profession traits when you choose it so live with it. Remeber that their are people on the other end of those toons, and treat them accordingly. Win or lose with dignity and honor and even your enemies will respect you.
Elisar - WOD
Bloodfin
slapjack
Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:47 am
#42
okay so lets see, you only responded to about a third of my response, in a formal debate you'd be declared loser now and we'd go home, but since its not a formal debate i get another rebuttlal!
now you say that if i say something works, its as good as seeing it work. okay, i'm aware of the fact that deep sea submersibles work. i'm aware of the fact that f-117 nighthawks dont show up on radar. have i seen either of them? no. damn that must mean they dont work right? People know these one hit kills work because of several factors, just try a gentle jab to your throat, go ahead, just 1 finger, with a little bit of force, didnt feel too good did it? imagine putting 250 pounds of force behind that finger and doing that again. yeah you just lost that point to me
secondly, i said one guy read 1 lines and responded with a your a dumbass flame, not everyone, learn to read.
third, you said that nobody has called me a dumbass, but thats what everyone is thinking. hmmm, so is it possible that something can be expressed without being explicitly explained to you? another point lost to me
and finally, you say no one is reading my post. well thats pretty interesting, cause its got 42 replies, obviously someone took a gander at it, and you know, several of those replies were by you *gasp* not only did you reply, but you quoted me *gasp* could it be someone is reading my post after all!? another point lost to me.
go have a battle with someone who you arent going to lose to
JWlaxplyr7
Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:46 am
#43
Slapjack, this is my last reply to your blabbering on about how martial arts can actually contend with a knife or a gun, i will not put my self down to your level any more, as i feel it is the stupidest thing to do is argue with an idiot on an idiotic level as he has been on that level for all of his life and will most definitely win. As to deep sea submersibles and Nighthawks, those have been photographed and video tapped, thats how you can see them working, i have never seen someone die by a '1-hit kill' whether in real-life or in a real video tape, i have seen an olympic level karate fighter get pounded into a concussion by a football player at my school, o and the karate fighter hit the football player from behind, because the karate fighter was extremely pissed at the football player for taking his girlfriend, and had made death threats on him, if he could have killed him in one hit he would have. Also i like how you edit out your post when you did say that everyone is only reading a few lines of your post then calling you a dumbass maybe you should learn to remember what you wrote, instead of editing it after you say something stupid. And yes something can be expressed without being explicitly explained to me, only because about 80% of these posts are telling you off. And yes i said no one is really reading your posts because *most* people only read a few lines, decide not to make themselves more stupid by reading your post and just tell you off. Lastly, this isnt a battle, this is me trying to make you stop making yourself look like a fool, and degrading martial arts by yourincansessent babbling. I really dont understand what your are saying by another point for me,maybe you are playing super mario or something like thatwhile writingyour posts, and are getting confused, that would explain what you said by smashing someones head, If you are trying to make this a debate and award points to different parties then the points could'nt be allotedby you as you are a participant, it would be like a football coach giving his own team points. But calling this a battle isnt exactly right as this isnt a contest,controversy, or military engagement, so that makes no sense, sorry to have offended you, but your viewpoint on martial arts is way off.
TravonLepen
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:35 am
#44
/target slapjack
/applaud
With the utter nonsense you posted, you have caused a revolt in the forum. I must admit though, there hasn't been much activity in here lately, and you were the spark of insanity it needed.
I have a hard time believing that you've EVER actually studied a martial art, thus eliminating the need to respond or rebutt anything you've posted, as none of it has any true merit.
As for the rest of you, especially the real martial artists out there, I'm ashamed you actually took this post seriously. We all know that things like the Dim Mak (death touch) exist, but if you can find me 1 person in the world who has actually used itin a real combat situation i'd pay you. Also, if you really feel that martial arts are for killing and destruction, you've completely missed the boat.You are also obviously verydisturbed and should seek help. Anyone who has been in a REAL fight would know, and like some people have posted that these fights are in no way what you see staged on tv and in movies with trained actors.I've read statistics that said that somewhere around 90% of allfights end up with both combatants on the ground, writhing around and in general looking like prepubescent school girls.Have you ever heard this quote "show me a fair fighter, and i'll show you a loser?" This is worse than the whole "my art is better because" (insert general, lame excuse, or fantastic lie) debate. What we all seem to forget is that fighting is based upon the individual involved and how they apply what they know. Like someone said earlier, a guy off the street can be given a sword, and still get his a$$ handed to him in a fight if he has no idea what he's doing. I feel dumber for actually answering this, apparently I've fallen victim to the flame-inducing post of a 13 year old who has forgotten to take his prozac.
Travon Lepen
Teras Kasi Master
Novice Doctor
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Loshuss
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:06 am
#45
I've studied Kenpo, Karate, Jiujitsu, Pak Mei, and Shang Tung and if you are studying martial arts to beat people up or impress people, you need to stop. It's all about gettinghealthy and being a better person. Sure you spar and mess around, but seriously, why would you want to be able to smash bricks? So you can smash someone's head? I don't see how that is ever a good idea.
You'llnever see a realfight that lasts more than 2 punches before both peopleare rolling around on the ground like animals. I'd rather not be rolling around. I'd rather not be punching someone. I'd rather be drinking a Guinness and fishing.
No one dodges bullets.
But, yeah, I like Guinness. And Fishing. And waffles.
Abraxus666
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:58 am
#46
Now i'm a martial artist in real life, and so far tka is in no way realistic. First off, we should not have vk's, unarmed means exactly that. Secondly, our damage against unarmored opponents should be god-like. There are so many places on the human body that react quite violently when hit hard, and by violently i mean you die. Good martial artists can kill people inone strike, and in more than a few ways. Secondly, good martial artists are almost un-hittable. Watching two 5th tier martial artists fight is an amazing experience. A blur of motion for 5 minutes straight, and both fighters are untouched. Third, there are styles of martial arts that are based ENTIRELY off of counterattack, can we say aikido anyone? And third, there are martial artists you could come at with a sword, knife, 8 foot stick, gun, whatever, it doesnt matter, because they will disarm and destroy you. I know, because we tried that on our sensei once, not one person hit him with anything, including a pellet gun. Fourth, what is with 100 resists to kinetic? I know a guy who can put 250 pounds of force into a 2 inch square box, consistently. repeatedly, on command. now are you telling me that someone could put that into an npc's larnyx with NO effect? give me a break. And finally, there are martial artists who can hit a stack of bricks that is 7 bricks tall, and ONLY break the BOTTOM brick. Now if that isnt armor peircing I dont know what is. Teras kasi should take more skill points, and it should be a great proffession against players.
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I'm also a Martial Artist in real-life but this is a game not real-life dude.
First of all, if you're going for realism you don't see many people walkin' about with blasters and servo assisted composite armour in real-life do you?
Second the entire Star-Wars universe is fictional so really you could have cows with laser shootin' udders.
And before you ask "What martial arts have you studied?" I was a Brown belt at Kobe Osaka Karate (Aged 8) I was also oneof the best Nunchuku users for my age.
Olympic Style Wrestler (Don't laugh because it was f**kin' brutal) Scottish Champ, Brittish Runner-up and East/West District champ(Aged13)
Global Taekwon-do Just started butaimin' for black already.
Also many martial arts DO actually use weapons, IE Nunchukas, Tonfas, Kama's, Sai's, Katanas!
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I'm also a Martial Artist in real-life but this is a game not real-life dude.
First of all, if you're going for realism you don't see many people walkin' about with blasters and servo assisted composite armour in real-life do you?
Second the entire Star-Wars universe is fictional so really you could have cows with laser shootin' udders.
And before you ask "What martial arts have you studied?" I was a Brown belt at Kobe Osaka Karate (Aged 8) I was also oneof the best Nunchuku users for my age.
Olympic Style Wrestler (Don't laugh because it was f**kin' brutal) Scottish Champ, Brittish Runner-up and East/West District champ(Aged13)
Global Taekwon-do Just started butaimin' for black already.
Also many martial arts DO actually use weapons, IE Nunchukas, Tonfas, Kama's, Sai's, Katanas!
Abraxus666
Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:06 am
#47
Dude, you said it better than I could even could.
Loshuss wrote:
I've studied Kenpo, Karate, Jiujitsu, Pak Mei, and Shang Tung and if you are studying martial arts to beat people up or impress people, you need to stop. It's all about gettinghealthy and being a better person. Sure you spar and mess around, but seriously, why would you want to be able to smash bricks? So you can smash someone's head? I don't see how that is ever a good idea.
You'llnever see a realfight that lasts more than 2 punches before both peopleare rolling around on the ground like animals. I'd rather not be rolling around. I'd rather not be punching someone. I'd rather be drinking a Guinness and fishing.
No one dodges bullets.
But, yeah, I like Guinness. And Fishing. And waffles.
If you think bein' a Martial Artist is all about being able to go out onto the street and boot the f**k outta everyone you see then you're just sad mate. It's about confidence, makin' yerself feel good and IF the **edit** hits the fan defendin' yerself. Not walkin' upto some kid on the street and pullin' his heart out stuffin'it into a sandwich and eatin' it before he dies.
Also, in martial art it teaches you how to fight a clean fight where the other person knows the same skill as you and is willing to use it. 99% of the fights I've seen have degenerated into people rollin' around on the floor screaming "I'm gunnah get my mate to batter you!"
Loshuss, yer right about preferring to sit back and chill with a pintrather than fighting!
TAfirehawk
Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:04 am
#48
Does anybody else think that this guy DID some Martial Arts but has gotten hit in the head too many times????
BTW, we ARE supposed to be playing STAR WARS....no matter what the Devs try to give us
Gwebacca
Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:02 pm
#49
Skull crushing and bone breaking aside...here's to Guiness and waffles!
Abraxus666
Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:55 pm
#50
Gwebacca wrote:
Skull crushing and bone breaking aside...here's toTennents and waffles!
AmilPL
Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:27 pm
#51
I do Taekwon do and although i haven't being doing it for very long (only a yellow belt
) i have noticed something in the talks the my instrustor gives us. These are that if you think your going to get in a fight use what you've been taught quickly and effectivly cos most people who look for fights know what they're doing and if you get into a fight your still likely to fail even with your training. And he should know. This is a guy who's had the bone taken out of his nose cos its been broken so many times. Quite a sobering sight.
) i have noticed something in the talks the my instrustor gives us. These are that if you think your going to get in a fight use what you've been taught quickly and effectivly cos most people who look for fights know what they're doing and if you get into a fight your still likely to fail even with your training. And he should know. This is a guy who's had the bone taken out of his nose cos its been broken so many times. Quite a sobering sight.So no there shouldn't be more power to tka cos even the best fighter has a good chance of failing. I don't do tkd cos i think its going to help me win every fight, but to help me incase i do get ina situation where i have to fight
Yenu
Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:04 am
#52
I can't belive TKA still complain about things. I'm master TKA in TC2 and you guys are fixed. TKA is not real life I know that too. I'm a martial artist too ( 2 empty handed hard styles,1 soft style,5 weapons) but a good expert in weapons agaist a empty hand, I will go with the one with the weapon. Here the chances are 50/50 depending on expertise. The reason empty hand martial artist use weapons is to know how protect themselve from somebody with a weapon, but that doesn't make them an expert. Some expert swordmen can concentrate on the tip of the sword and hit you on pressure points and you are gone plus I don't recal in the history of China or Japan a empty hand army agaist well armed army....good luck.
The only thing that bother me is if they are going to apply fantasy on TKA , then do the same for the rest of melee classes. It seems like real life is almost applied to other melee classes except TKA. I went TKAM because i was tire of waiting for SONY to really do combat balance. I can even knock down a jedi(unreal)as TKAM, but it we play real then it should be jedi cut you in half easy(real)or you bleed to dead if you fight a pikeman, swordman or fencer. Don't forget you guys don't crawl and twist on the ground with pain because a commando or Bh set you on fire.
The only thing that bother me is if they are going to apply fantasy on TKA , then do the same for the rest of melee classes. It seems like real life is almost applied to other melee classes except TKA. I went TKAM because i was tire of waiting for SONY to really do combat balance. I can even knock down a jedi(unreal)as TKAM, but it we play real then it should be jedi cut you in half easy(real)or you bleed to dead if you fight a pikeman, swordman or fencer. Don't forget you guys don't crawl and twist on the ground with pain because a commando or Bh set you on fire.