Teras Kasi Archive

are we getting nerfed?

I doubt it. People have been crying about the same professions forever.

Are we a FOTM? Yeah but hopefully people will discover the carbineers charge shot (a KD with no timer that can be spammed) and flock over to them.

there balancing every one sorry dude

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Asquiol wrote:

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Cakins7005 wrote:

With all those nice defenses, a TKM should never outdamage a Swordsman.

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Hrm? What do defenses have to do with dealing damage?

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It's this REALLY strange concept called BALANCE....

Message Edited by Ki_GonAmedda on 08-12-2004 01:10 AM

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heimidal wrote:

Ryushi wrote:

Check my guy Ryushi, I have been here since the beginning, 1 weekafter launch, tk was my first profession mastered, along with ch before the balance.

I would like to apologize for assuming you're just another pathetic bandwagon person and "Template of the month" person(I hate them with a passion)

There are alot of dabblers in TK, but not as many masters as there used to be,

Completely agree.....now people just dabble for the med line and that really needs to be fixed, like moving powerboost to 4 or master.

TK isnt the problem, I think the other proffessions need to come up, my only complaint is when other proffessions come in here crying nerf, cry change instead.

Agree completely, but in order for balance, some things need to come down, and some things need to go up.......The Yin and Yang lol.....

and how fast can you swing a giant metal axe when a trained master of martial arts (not martial arts, because that includes pretty much all forms ofmelee combat, including polearms)is beating you in the face?

I'd have to disagree with using such an emulation for a scenario simply for the fact that such simulations causes many problems. There are many counter-sayings for that, not just in Pikeman, but for every profession.

For example: How will you be beating me in my face, when a Master of Polearms combat wielding a 8m pole is both keeping you at a distance AND beating you in YOUR face?....

Or if I was a Commando I can say, How will you be pounding me with your fists if you're on fire screaming and writhing in pain?....

Or if I was a Fencer I can say, How will youkill me, if I, Master of the art of Fencing, can dodge and dance aroundyour every move andpierce where vulnerable?.....

What this does is taketwo subject party's and creates a scenario that only validates one party's side, and nullifies and ignoresthe other party's side, tactics, story, or possiblities that can only be "Countered" by making a whole new post, so essentially if we start doing more of these scenarios, we'd end up with a never ending thread .

Take a person and, as hard as you can, punchhim in the lower abdomen, (I use lower abdomen as an example because it is a large target and almost all forms of combat at one point have a technique that concentrates on that specific area). Thebest you'd do is maybe stun (Not SW:G sense)the person and knock the wind out of him. Now using the same exactforce with a 5ft blade in your hand, repeat. Now with the same exact force with an 8ft blade tipped pole, repeat. It's obvious......no matter how skilled you are, there is no way in hell's chance unarmed person will kill a person BEFORE an armed person can.

You say Unarmed Masters have certain techniques in RL that can kill people pretty fast if they use their fists right?........Masters of different bladed weapons all have techniques that kill, more so than unarmed.

My first character since day 1...err....2, was a Rifleman, and because of that 2.5X modifier I needed a melee profession....after a long hard couple days of examining the melee professions, I chose unarmed because I thought they were the weakest hitting of the melee (and back then, it sorta was),so it'd fit perfectly as what I needed it to.

i still stand by the belief that I had even back when I first picked up TK: Teras Kasi should never be huge damage dealers, but master of being quick on their feet and causing many different staus effects, maybe even some that cannot be applied by any other class. Sacrifice damage for speed and fordevastating, or just plain annoying state effects, lowest HAM costs, highestMelee/ranged defense, lowest toughness,and retain the ability to meditate. Only when something similar to that is applied will different damage types or getting a bleed move be justified.

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Ryushi... ya know what, I think you are right... the only explanation for the way TK is right now is if their is some supernatural efx from studying. there is no way unarmed should keep up with pikeman or swordsman/fencer. maybe we should have had the dodge line, or less power. i know i have never hit for more than 1500, i hear about 3500 hits, but i personally have never gotten near this. i am looking into mastering every elite melee class right now, just to try them out, i will say i enjoy fencer right now, but i am only doing it to augment my tk, same reasoning for me to take up some kind of ranged, maybe we should have our range lowered, i just go tmaster brawler and havent used the 20 m lunge 2 yet in PvP, but that does sound a bit extreme. i think for alot of the munbers, we cant compare to our real world because of neccessary changes to make the game more fluid... otherwise there might not be any melee in this world at all. i think we have to "assume" that any melee'r is not a normal person, that they are gifted or in some way superhuman... this is my own concept of how it works. i hope that the other classes are brought up to par, mainly pikeman, i feel your pain, even though i only had to get polearm 1-4, i will say it was the most difficult, besides possibly unarmed.

I agree that other melee professions need to be brought up but your fist vs sword analogy is stupid. You are applying a real life comparison to a game - a rifleman should be able to shoot you between the eyes and you're dead before you see him.

The melee professions need to be balanced against each other so that TKM is lower damage and fast (although bear in mind we can only do one class of damage and have no DOT attack), then move through to Pikeman being slow but dishing out highest damage. Nowhere in this is there a need to nerf TKA.

Carbineer on the other hand - unlimited knockdowns has got to go. But in the mean time my TKM/Carbineer is doing pretty sweet