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i think where doin the same thing

i am just posting to laugh at your gonna post back

i didnt even read your post

and iam not goin to

but thanks for that laughs

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Beeni wrote:

i think where doin the same thing

i am just posting to laugh at your gonna post back

i didnt even read your post

and iam not goin to

but thanks for that laughs

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maigy wrote:

You are so wrong here... there is no craftable TKM weapon in the game.... the highest level craftable TKA weapon is level 40.... TKM is level 54... if there weear a craftable level 54 TKM weapon, like there is for everyother proffession in the game... and I mean every profession... even doctors have a craftable level 54 weapon, It would be on par with the KKs and the NN, it wouldn't be any better, maybe slightly if there were some nice loot enhancers.

I have an alt that is a TKM, so what do I do when, my KKs and NN finally falls apart... I guess I wont be able to play that character anymroe.

I have a main that is a Weaponsmtih.... and it really sucks that 90% of the best weapons are looted or crafted by non-weaponsmiths. Cant wait for rangers crafting their own mines.

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EmporersFist wrote:

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maigy wrote:

You are so wrong here... there is no craftable TKM weapon in the game.... the highest level craftable TKA weapon is level 40.... TKM is level 54... if there weear a craftable level 54 TKM weapon, like there is for everyother proffession in the game... and I mean every profession... even doctors have a craftable level 54 weapon, It would be on par with the KKs and the NN, it wouldn't be any better, maybe slightly if there were some nice loot enhancers.

I have an alt that is a TKM, so what do I do when, my KKs and NN finally falls apart... I guess I wont be able to play that character anymroe.

I have a main that is a Weaponsmtih.... and it really sucks that 90% of the best weapons are looted or crafted by non-weaponsmiths. Cant wait for rangers crafting their own mines.

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You buy another KK or go kill necrosis and get another NN...

Btw never said there was a craftable TKM weapon only there were craftable TK weapons and they sucked. I don't care if we ever get a craftable TKM weapon. If you can't do well enough with the other overwhelming benifits we get like FoW (well when they get it fixed), powerboost, and especially CoB then you shouldn't be playing TK. Quit whining about not having a craftable TKM weapon. We do not need one, but chances are they will be here in the new expansion, or at least some new TK looted weapons.

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True, but then you shouldnt have replied to his post that way let me refresh:

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EmporersFist wrote:

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Beeni wrote:

and u are wrong we do need an craftable tkm weapon

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red: We do have craftable weapons.

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looks to me like you are trying to refute his point.

And yes it is stupid that all the TKM weapons need to be looted. I personally feel that there should be no looted weapons in the game... I think that everything in the game should be crafted by players. Then again I think that interdependancy is a good thing.

Yes I could keep looting the NN i guess. i have never tried to do it again so I don't know if it is a one time only or not. But the NN sucks compared to the KK, and I can only get that one time. Right now I can solo ancient Krayts with my KK but if I use my NN I get owned... there is that much of a difference. I am not looking for a weapon that is better than the KK I just think that Weaponsmiths should be able to craft a level 54 TKM weapon on par with the other craftable level 54 melee weapons... I am really tempted to drop TKM for swords so I dont have to worry about my primary weapon degrading.. I can afford to buy a crate of Power hammers.

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maigy wrote:

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EmporersFist wrote:

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maigy wrote:

You are so wrong here... there is no craftable TKM weapon in the game.... the highest level craftable TKA weapon is level 40.... TKM is level 54... if there weear a craftable level 54 TKM weapon, like there is for everyother proffession in the game... and I mean every profession... even doctors have a craftable level 54 weapon, It would be on par with the KKs and the NN, it wouldn't be any better, maybe slightly if there were some nice loot enhancers.

I have an alt that is a TKM, so what do I do when, my KKs and NN finally falls apart... I guess I wont be able to play that character anymroe.

I have a main that is a Weaponsmtih.... and it really sucks that 90% of the best weapons are looted or crafted by non-weaponsmiths. Cant wait for rangers crafting their own mines.

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You buy another KK or go kill necrosis and get another NN...

Btw never said there was a craftable TKM weapon only there were craftable TK weapons and they sucked. I don't care if we ever get a craftable TKM weapon. If you can't do well enough with the other overwhelming benifits we get like FoW (well when they get it fixed), powerboost, and especially CoB then you shouldn't be playing TK. Quit whining about not having a craftable TKM weapon. We do not need one, but chances are they will be here in the new expansion, or at least some new TK looted weapons.

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True, but then you shouldnt have replied to his post that way let me refresh:

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EmporersFist wrote:

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Beeni wrote:

and u are wrong we do need an craftable tkm weapon

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red: We do have craftable weapons.

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looks to me like you are trying to refute his point.

And yes it is stupid that all the TKM weapons need to be looted. I personally feel that there should be no looted weapons in the game... I think that everything in the game should be crafted by players. Then again I think that interdependancy is a good thing.

Yes I could keep looting the NN i guess. i have never tried to do it again so I don't know if it is a one time only or not. But the NN sucks compared to the KK, and I can only get that one time. Right now I can solo ancient Krayts with my KK but if I use my NN I get owned... there is that much of a difference. I am not looking for a weapon that is better than the KK I just think that Weaponsmiths should be able to craft a level 54 TKM weapon on par with the other craftable level 54 melee weapons... I am really tempted to drop TKM for swords so I dont have to worry about my primary weapon degrading.. I can afford to buy a crate of Power hammers.

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Doesn't matter what it looks like to you. The point is I never said there were craftable MTK weapons.

Well if you dont want your kataarn knuckler degrading it is also called a "anti-decay kit." It is funny how you claim to be able to solo krayts with your kataarn but you say you get owned if you use your necrosis nightblade. I for one would like to call bullsh*t. There is no way the weapons can make that much of a difference. I could solo krayst with regular VK's if I wanted to. It is all about the temp. Not the wep.

Dropping TK for swords? Maybe you should. Because then you could go around in their forum complaining about how stupid the PH looks, or that the looted weapons should be better. If you do not have any swords in your temp already then this is the primary reason you get your a$$ kicked by the krayts. It isn't that you can beat them with a kataarn it is thatyou get pwnt no matter what using the KK or the NN. One of the necessities of any TK temp is that they have AT LEAST 0030 of swords. That way you have advanced armor break.

You say you can afford to buy a crate of PH's. Well I suggest you save some of your wealth from your crafter main and buy a friggin ADK so we don't have to listen to you whine about how your weapons are going to decay. BUYING another KK is also an option which doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for you and your crafter alt.

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EmporersFist wrote:

Doesn't matter what it looks like to you. The point is I never said there were craftable MTK weapons.

Well if you dont want your kataarn knuckler degrading it is also called a "anti-decay kit." It is funny how you claim to be able to solo krayts with your kataarn but you say you get owned if you use your necrosis nightblade. I for one would like to call bullsh*t. There is no way the weapons can make that much of a difference. I could solo krayst with regular VK's if I wanted to. It is all about the temp. Not the wep.

Dropping TK for swords? Maybe you should. Because then you could go around in their forum complaining about how stupid the PH looks, or that the looted weapons should be better. If you do not have any swords in your temp already then this is the primary reason you get your a$$ kicked by the krayts. It isn't that you can beat them with a kataarn it is thatyou get pwnt no matter what using the KK or the NN. One of the necessities of any TK temp is that they have AT LEAST 0030 of swords. That way you have advanced armor break.

You say you can afford to buy a crate of PH's. Well I suggest you save some of your wealth from your crafter main and buy a friggin ADK so we don't have to listen to you whine about how your weapons are going to decay. BUYING another KK is also an option which doesn't seem like it would be out of reach for you and your crafter alt.

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maigy wrote:

Just wanted to clear it up that is all... he said we have no craftable TKM weapons ... you replied we have craftable weapons but they all suck. Why even reply if it dont mean anything.

Why should I be required to get an ADK just to play my toon. If I was a rifleman I could just buy more ALRs or if I was a swordsman I can just buy more PHs... I can't just buy more KKs there are only so many and they are damned expensive.

When fighitn ancients I regualrly get owned if I dont have my KKs equiped cause of the simple fact the SAC is way too high... even giants give me a really tough time..

My template for your refenerence is TKM/Swords 0044/Doc 4044 although I dont see why it matters. If you dont believ me you go try to solo an ancient with just an NN equiped. I have a rifleman that can solo ancient krayts with an ALR that I sell for 10k... why do TKMs need to use the best TKM weapon in the game to be able to do it.

This is a common phalacy... jsut becasue there is work around for a problem doesnt mean it aint broken... true my Crafter main is loaded, but itis also true that my crafter is on Radiant and my TKM is on Lowca. Yes I can try doing a credit tranfer, but they don't always work out well, and I am new to lowca, not sure who I can trust.I have another alt on radiant that has 6 ADKs but that isnt the point. The point is that there is no craftable level 54 weapon and that is stupid... TKMs that dont have an ADK have a rough time competing, dont even get me started on the difference in PvP between a KK and an NN and your barefist and a blasterfist. Yes there will prolly be new stuff in the upcoming expansion.... but curently I ahve stopped playing my TKM all together as my NN is down to 200 condition max and my KK is in the neighborhood of 300 Max... and I dont have the cash to replace them... so I jsut dont play anymore. If I was able to just get a decent weapon to go have fun with I wouldn't feel that I had to always use my KKs those could be saved for special occasions.

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Why continue to bring it up after you were corrected? YES I said that. YOU were wrong. I said that to point out that its not like we had NO craftable weapons.

You don't have to. It will decay if you don't though. Maybe you should go completely swords or only play with your rifleman character if you don't like TK. YES they are expensive. But you act like everyone is Tk. I know many rifleman and all other professions that have done this quest and GIVEN the knuckler away. However, many people do not give them away but whatever price they are selling them for is sure as heck cheaper than buying a ADK.

I solo ancient krayts and giant krayts with NN equipped of KK. I don't use the best TK weapon in the game and I can do it. It is not about what weapon you are using. It is just about the temp. What about TK with no med skills? Your logic is like saying all Rifleman can solo ancient krayts just because they are rifleman. Maybe many TK's need to use the best TK weps to solo ancient krayts because ancient krayts are tough. That is just my guess though.

The PvP difference between the NN and the KK. Not very much. Sure the KKs are a little better but it isn't enough to totally screw you over. It is mainly about strategy and template. Those are the key components of any PvPer. You act like it is impossible to make money in this game. It is not hard to save up money to get an ADK. What are they now about 11 mill? Every time I kill Necrosis I get a cybernetic shock arm, a greivous starfighter deed, and some special class specific weapon. Chances are it will not be a NN, but every now and then it is. However every time I do it I sell the melee shock arm for at least 125k, the grevious starfighter for at least 125k and the class specific weapon for an average of about 350k I have sold the ship and the arm for as much as 1 mill before, and the class specific weps for as much as 2 mill. the arm and the ship alone produce 250k each time I kill necrosis. Let's just say I don't get a great necrosis loot and I can only sell it for 250k. I still just made 500k by killing Necrosis 1 time. I kill him 10 times I end up with 5 mill. Simple. Easy. Making the bare minimum I would have Nearly enough for an ADK by killing Necrosis 20 times. By the way I am a TK with no ADK and I use a NN. Using my NN I only know of3 other melee players that can beat me on Gorath. Considering how large Gorath is that is a lot of a$$wooping I do. I wouldn't exactly say that I am having a tough time competing.

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EmporersFist wrote:

You act like it is impossible to make money in this game. It is not hard to save up money to get an ADK.

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maigy wrote:

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EmporersFist wrote:

You act like it is impossible to make money in this game. It is not hard to save up money to get an ADK.

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http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=gorath_trade&message.id=303452

dont know how to clicky it but this was the fist auction for an adk I found on your trade forums on gorath... it is 22 million... No way as a new character will I ever be able to get to 22 million in a reasonable amount of time... not suggesting I should, just saying that there should be a cheaper than 1 million credit weapon out there for TKMs and yes I can go do the KK quest one time...

and I can't believe you actually agrued that an NN isnt much worse than a KK. In PvP you need every possible edge you can get... you will lose if you don't stack the odds as much as you can in your favor.

SWG is no longer about your templete... it is about your gear. I will beat anyone with crappy gear 100 out 100 times with any of my combat toons, because I have great gear on them all. Now if they have good gear that is slightly different... but a TKM without a weapon vs a TKM with a KK ... it pretty much doesnt matter what your template is... if they are both the same level the TKM with the KK will win.... you do the same fight with a rifleman vs a rifleman if one has an uber leet rifle and the other has a 10k ALR the guy with the 10k ALR ahs a chance to win depending on his template and his stratagy.

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Quit making yourself look ignorant. That was an AUCTION many players in game will buy/sell for 11 mill. Maybe you shouldn't try to argue with me about what ADK's go for in my own galaxy. I could sell my Bell-22 ship for much more than it is worth in an auction if I wished to. It is why people take CA'a and AA's to auction too. To see how high people are willing to go for what they are selling. Try taking a hamburger to a starving country. You could sell it for MUCH MUCH more than you could here in America where fast food places are selling hamburgers for 89 cents. It is about location/demand. And also how smart of aseller you are. No crap you can only do the KK quest once. I suggest maybe doing the quest for a weapon such as the clone rifle or some other rare weapon that you cannot use, and then sell it and use the money to buy a KK.

Can't believe you are still hooked on this idea. ONE of the people who beat me in PvP had a NN. He also beat someone with a KK. I beat people who are using the KK all the time. It IS about your temp and your strategy. no matter what you argue. You keep whining about TK perhaps you should consider dropping it if you do not like it. I can't believe you find TK so disatisfying yet continue to post here. I am going to continue to argue that the NN isn't much worse than the KK. I can do EVERYTHING with my NN that I could do when I had my friend's KK. I saw a slight difference. I am not saying it is not better than the NN, only that there is not a huge difference in performance. I can't believe you actually said you could solo ancient krayts with your KK but not with your NN. That is ridiculous. Ancient Krayts aren't really that difficult to solo anymore. If you can't do it with a NN then you cannot do it with a KK. Therefore you either 1) need to re-adjust your template, or 2) suck and are lying about being able to solo krayt's in the beginning. End of Story. As far as stacking PvP in your favor. You stack PvP in your favor by adjusting your temp. This way you gain new skills essential for PvP using your given weapon. Someone can Master Pistols and have the best pistol in the galaxy equipped. But with my temp, if I meet them they are going down. Pistols and Ranged have learned to use MCM in order to parylize, apply thyroid rupture, and other de-buffs and then create distance so that I cannot get close enough to attack. If they simply stood there and didn't parylize me or just hit the de-buffs and then didn't try to create space (all of which are considered strategy) then I will still kill them regardless of their gear. If the MCM/Pistols has a crappier pistol but still employs the parylize/thyroid rup/debuff strategy and then creates space I am still going to have a tough time defeating him. I may perhaps lose. I cannot believe you try to argue that fighting is only about your gear. You are clearly wrong. Please quit trying to argue that point.

These are probably the most ill-conceived simple minded grouping of sentences I have read. I'll have to break them down. "SWG is no longer about your template.... it is about your gear." I am not sure we are talking about the same game anymore. SWG = Star Wars Galaxies right? If someone is tk/fencer/swords and someone else is swords/doc You can pretty much safely assume that the swords/doc is going to beat the crap out of the tk/fencer/swords regardless of what stims/ruby bliel the tk/fencer/swords has. I know this because I use to be Doc/swords and my friend was tk/fencer/swords and used 1200 stims and ruby bleil and I still beat him. He had RIS armor with 7k protection I have 5k marauder armor. So do not make mention again that it is "all about the gear." This is just ignorance. The next sentence "I will beat people with crappy gear...." Of course you will. Assuming by "crappy" you mean like a vibro axe vs. a PH. I never said gear didn't matter simply that there was not a huge difference between the KK and the NN and you have failed to present any material to convince me otherwise since your "proof" has been proven otherwise by myself (i.e. saying a tk with a KK will beat a tk with a NN regardless of template "as long as lvl is the same"). Strategy and Template are KEY in SWG. Two players with the same template and both TK will have their fight decided on strategy. Someone with a lesser temp but better strategy still runs a great chance of winning (assuming there is not a huge difference in weapons). If the one with the better temp uses up all his action and then the lesser temp kd's him and then goes to town then the greater template will ultimately be defeated if he continues this pattern. Finally you said, "An unarmed Tk will lose to a KK tk." WELL DUH! Obviously there is a ridiculous gap in how much damage you get from bare fists and how much you get from a KK. But unarmed and VK could be decided on strategy and template. Also you said "as long as they are same level." Well obviously the same lvl implies similar temps when fighters are fighting with the same type of weapons (i.e. 1 handed, 2 handed, etc.). However lets say someone was using a KK and their temp was TK/Fencer/Swords and the other temp was unarmed and was Doc/TK I would say the Doc/TK would give them a good run for their money if they didn't outright win in one situation. In the other 2 situations the doc is pretty much screwed but if he uses great strategy he could win. Assuming they used no strategy since you said it is not important and assuming they don't make use of their templates and simply go out and do mindless button-mashing, then yes the TK/Fencer/Swords will win, as they should. If they still used no strategy but made use of their templates then the TK/Doc would probably win based on the fact that the buffs would 1)increase his already larger health bar 2) make him much faster than the TK, and 3) increase his regen rates. Also he could do a little thing called healing himself, making him much much harder to defeat. True he would ttake a long,long time to defeat his opponent but his regen rates would be higher letting him not run out of action, he would be able to heal himself, and his speed would be faster. It would be almost like fighting Necrosis after destroying the powercells in a way. Now if both strategy and temp were employed. The doc would have the advantage on temp but assuming the TK/Fencer/Swords has a brain in his head he will use food to keep his action up, make him harder to hit, and regen his health quicker. He would also use stims and ruby bliel. This would totally negate the Doc's temp since his opponent would then have the healing, the damage, and the defensive advantages on him. The doc would basically be screwed. This is IF the doc was UNARMED mind you. If the doc had the KK and the tk/fencer/swords had the NN but he also had food/stims then I would say that it would be close and come purely down to strategy. The doc would have better healing and his opponent better damage and defense even though he had the better wep. The opponent would also have a greater variety of moves at his disposal.The winner would dependon who employed the better strategy according to what foods to take and moves to use. Assuming they have the EXACT SAME TEMP. Then yes, the weapons/gear would be the determining factor.

I ask that you do not try to argue with me again that temp does not matter and PvP is controlled simply by gear. You are wrong. I have proven again and again that you are wrong. So I will say it one more time. You are wrong.

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EmporersFist wrote:

I ask that you do not try to argue with me again that temp does not matter and PvP is controlled simply by gear. You are wrong. I have proven again and again that you are wrong. So I will say it one more time. You are wrong.

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How did you prove me wrong... you cited no facts only opinions... your argument revolves almost entirely around flaming me.

As for ADKs going for 11 milion show me a link ot an auction in your galaxy that has sold one for 11 million... I have not seen an ADK go for less than 15 million in a long time... either way 11 million is still too much to ahve to pay to play your character... you should be able to pick up a decent crafted weapon just like any other profession can.

And I really cant believe you think gear doesnt matter... ofcourse if you template is master scout/master artisan/master entertainer you will lose in PvP... or if you are playing with any inferior template... but if both sides has a good template and they know what they are doing, it comes down to gearand luckeverytime.

I like to PvP a lot... I picked up TKM/Swords/doc so I could ahve fun PvPing without having to buy any uber loot... I know I wont win a lot but at least I can have fun and it wont cost me a ton in weapons and armor... well I have discovered I was wrong as our weapons cost more than any other professions armor+weapons.

I love TKA a lot so I am not going to drop it... and I another thing that is stupid is if you dont have RotWs there is no level 54 TKAweapons for you.

The point of this threed was to come up with a cool new TKM weapon not weather or not TKMs should get a craftable weapon(although it is obviousthat they should have one, even if only for the simple reason that interdependancy is good)

So I was thinking that perhaps some kind of Force Knucklers might be cool... or Power knucklers for a TKM weapon.

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XrioT wrote:

I was thinking it would be really cool if we could have a good CL40 weapon! It would be l33t if we can put krayt tissue in it! yeah! Maybe they could give it a high cap like 600 damage and call it, the BLASTER fist!!

Man i'm getting excited just thinking about it

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