Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Should melee rule?
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AKemper
Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:53 am
#27
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Trucg-G: said
Akemper, you obviously suck at pvp that you say ranged are under powered. Have you ever been shot by a 700Damage Pistol(TORSO SHOT that is)??Then had that person stay at about 45m from you blasting you with eye shot?? EYe shot+Torso Shot should be called 'Melee Profession OWNED' when used together.
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Actually i don't PvP very much however, you are citing the skills of one specific ranged proffession can a pure caribineer do what you just said? Perhaps a pistoleer, or God forbid, a commando.I think not.
Idon't declare to know all the answers, but when everyone you see is a melee/doc I wonderwhy? Iama Master commando (again 
) I play the class because I love it, we have crap for defenses, are the "heavy weapons specialists" yet none of our non-consumable weapons have any AP.The various launchers we have do have AP but they are so slow and inaccurate they are almost completly worthless. We have NO state effects attacks, the only thing we have is a dot, which although good, it isn't all that great when you look and see that the flamer has no AP and the vast majority of the mobs now have extremly high heat resist. We can't even use most of the special attacks you get by mastering the marksman tree because we use heavy weapons. The funny thing is, to use my profession without having to try and pick up bh/pistoleer, I had to buy several thrown weapon skill mods and I have started using grenades as my primary weapon in PvP. I believe it will work nicely if they ever fix it so my own grenades don'tdamage me when I throw them lol.
) I play the class because I love it, we have crap for defenses, are the "heavy weapons specialists" yet none of our non-consumable weapons have any AP.The various launchers we have do have AP but they are so slow and inaccurate they are almost completly worthless. We have NO state effects attacks, the only thing we have is a dot, which although good, it isn't all that great when you look and see that the flamer has no AP and the vast majority of the mobs now have extremly high heat resist. We can't even use most of the special attacks you get by mastering the marksman tree because we use heavy weapons. The funny thing is, to use my profession without having to try and pick up bh/pistoleer, I had to buy several thrown weapon skill mods and I have started using grenades as my primary weapon in PvP. I believe it will work nicely if they ever fix it so my own grenades don'tdamage me when I throw them lol.I mainly chose TK for these questions because they seem to beone of the most formidable combat proffesionsn out there.I could go on about how this isn't right or that isn't right but it sounds like to me a bh/pistoleer kicked your A$$ and your are a bit put out about it, so I wonder if maybe it is you that suck at PvP?
Aperaiser
Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:33 am
#28
Pistoleer/BH doesnt suck at all in PvP. Their quite good 1vs1 and are great backup to any profession X vs X. (Last Ditch on a unarmored part of you can hurt pretty damn much to if the opponents a smuggler to.)
AKemper
Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:57 pm
#29
Interesting..... I have not in any way posted anything in this thread against TK's in any way. I know what I think about the relative strengths of the proffesions I have been playing this game since beta. I dare say I have played most of the combat proffesions with the exception of the good old carbine tree. I simply asked what the TK players think about their relative strength against ranged proffesions. I have not said anything about hitting anyone with the nerf bat. I couldn't really care less whether you think I am good at PvP. That quit simply has nothing to do with this post. I never even mentioned PvP in the original post. I have no intention of coming into any forum and crying that your proffesion is better than mine and it isn't fair. I play commando because I like it. I would assume you are TK because you like, however I get the impression from your post you are TK because you are one of those players that just wants to be "Mr. Uber"
So to get back to the point of the thread, can I assume I can score you as being of the opinion that TK is properly balanced against the rangeed proffesions?
Atama
Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:14 pm
#30
"I have not in any way posted anything in this thread against TK's in any way."
Don't worry about it. Trucho irrationally attacks everyone in this forum. Don't take it personally, I think pretty much everyone else here appreciates your posts.
AKemper
Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:06 pm
#31
I know alot of commandos go TKM also and that is reasonable since pre-req is unarmed IV. I just personally like making alot of noise and seeing that flame jet spray out. lol I enjoy watching a TKM mauling what ever has earned his wrath, I just don't understand how you guys don't get dizzy with all of that spinning around. I get dizzy just watching it, hmm or maybe I am dizzy from the hit I took..... beware naked cavemen with sticks. 
Cpl_Fisher
Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:27 am
#32
NERF TKA? NEVER!!! I say this as a Master rifleman, somebody needs to keep those jedi off me.
My main complaint against melee is that they can stack defences to an absurdly high level. IMHO I think that one thing could balance it all out. Slow players down, everybody runs/burst at 3/4 speed. Do that, and I would be happy. Melee should have very high defenses, maybe tone down the damage some though, a stick should not do as much damage as an Anti-Armor rifle. (the T-21)
Carbineer and pistoleer either need help, or make rifleman have to pick up another tree like thm to be effective. Both the BH Pistoleer and Carbine combo are VERY good. Maybe add a rifle tree in commando and take away 30 acc and speed from rifleman? (both pistols and carbines cap at the 3rd skill box in BH) Just My two cents
BabySealClubba
Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:09 am
#33
Up close and personal damn rights Mellee should rule. The problem with Ranged i feel is they pick to many duels in places where they cant get keep it ranged, So a hint for the ranged profs Starports BAD open Areas good
KnightHawk420
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:27 pm
#34
As a former rifleman I really never had much problem taking down melee. There was just alot of kiting involved. You have to learn to ignore people too when your a ranged person and don't plan on losing fights. I dunno how many times I've had melee scream all sorts of bad names at me just because I refued to let them get close enough to me to beat me down. Go figure. I've seen plenty of people in fights fall to that kind of name calling go ahead and let the melee get close just to get beat into a pulp... morons....
Anyway all things considered melee doesn't rule as much as everyone think it does. I think melee definatley has a PVE advantage. But not neccessarily PVP. For the most part ranged fighters can still cream the melee fighters. Fencers are somewhat the exception. I've taken down many fencers with a rifle but it was never easy. And I've lost to a few with uber stun batons.
People are entirely too caught up with defense stacking too. Most of the worst pvp'ers I've come across tend to be defense stackers. The best PVP'ers will usually mix ranged combat with melee depending on the situation. And I don't mean fencer dabbling in pistoleer......but like rifle/tka, or tka/commando, or fencer/pistoleer etc...
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