Teras Kasi Archive

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PwyllTwiceborn wrote:

Hi, can you people not read?

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We can read. The problem is, you cannot write. You're right, you know. ***The situation you are describing is an exploit.*** However, you are coming across as if to say that using KD/Dizzy as it is intended to work is an exploit. So it sounds like you are calling almost all TKA's exploiters, even though you admit we are not.

So, let me explain your position (as I understand it) to the people a little bit better:

1) Proper use: KD/Dizzy, kill your opponent while he lays on the ground. Even turn to another and attack him, as long as you come back to the first one while Dizzy is still on.

2) Exploit: KD/Dizzy and leaving your opponent that way long after dizzy has worn off.

Bottom line: are you taking advantage of the fact that your opponent COULD stand up, but WON'T? This determines whether you are exploiting or not. I would say that 99% of TKA's are not exploiting this feature.

By the way, this also applies to creatures, as well. I saw a Ravenous Torton exploit a Rebel Surface Marshall by knocking him down and Dizzying him. He was permanently knocked down. But he still offered me the full range of recruiter benefits, and I had the added bonus of knowing that he wouldn't be wandering off somewhere!

It is an exploit when all you're doing is KD2 (NPC down and dizzy), walking over to the next one, KD2 (NPC down and dizzy) and having them never get up....that's an exploit, you'd never be able to do that if the bug wasn't there.

Ive been tkm for a long time and my kd2 i cant remember it ever perma kding stuff except korgas on dantooine and the dizzy stays on them for hours because they are weak too it. In pvp go ahead use all the kds and dizzys you got. Against NPCs ive never actually been able to do that so i cant really comment. But i have seen people do it but it was ranged proffessions.

An exploit is something you can repeat at will - not something that sometimes works tremendously well. And it's not KD that keeps them down, it's just Dizzy, so there's no KD/Dizzy combo that's more successful than just a lucky Dizzy. Some MOBs are more susceptibIe to Dizzy, and if certain reasonably tough MOBs always, or nearly always, lay on their backs from Dizzy for more than 30 secs, then it may be an issue with that MOB's AI. KD and Dizzy may also be affected by lag, btw.

I hate to compare apples and oranges, but when I'm fighting for my TKm life againsta Darktrooper or two trying to Dizzy, KD, Stun, whatever I can get, andsomeone one-shots 4-5 of them doing 4-5k each, I hardly think the occassional down-for-the-count Dizzy compares as something needing attention.

No, I clearly told you of 2 examples where people have Dizzy/KD'd something and those 2 NPCs have been down for over 7 hours yesterday, people have numerous posts on coming up on NPCs laying on their backs from previous fights with other NPCs or PCs. This can easily be done over and over to prove that the NPC AI is bugged and that a KD and Dizzy move(s) can render and NPC helpless and not able to do anything for hours on end untill some poor soul comes and puts them out of their misery whenever they come across them.