Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: TKM = Jedi
Pheniox24 wrote:
personally I think that TKM should get LS knucklers, which could block lightsabers, since we ARE the force used in the SW universe to monitor and keep jedi in check. I think that they should have a VERY high HAM cost though, since it would take alot of thinking to not wack your arm off fighting with them though, and be a master weapon ONLY, and require a TKM/Jedi knight to craft. That would keep them rare, but still very effective.
Hope your kidding 
Can't be a Jedi Knight and TKM at the same time 
Atama wrote:
"we ARE the force used in the SW universe to monitor and keep jedi in check."
No we're not, that's ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous. It's why TKA was created (EU) in the first place. Not to mean that a new TKM should be able to beat a Knight - that is a bit unfair. But maybe a special class for FS TKM would be nice.
Pheniox24 wrote:
...since we ARE the force used in the SW universe to monitor and keep jedi in check.
this misconception has been floating around the TK forum for over a year now. a very intrested and egar member went looking for EVERYTHING they could find on Teras Kasi and the Teras Kasi Order. 95% of what was found was all fan-based information constructed BY fans FOR fans from what LITTLE information was actually given about TKAs and who and what they are.
this information was constructed by SW fans, and is NOT a part of the cannon, nor the EU. i am not saying they don't exist in the EU, it is just that keeping Jedi in check is NOT thier roll. end of story.
i wish people would STOP brining it up. it was dead for a while and now here it is again...
/sigh
Message Edited by NeoEcks on 10-27-2004 02:42 PM
I have to agree with NeoEcks. This is an old and tired misconception about TKs that is starting to get annoying. Without going deep into it, if you follow most story lines including the video games, TKs were NOT "watchers of Jedi" but were utilized by the Empire and others as high level assassins. Many tka went on to become bounty hunters and Jedi (Darth Maul). Most like Arden Lynn were assassins that where at odds with everyone. She happened to kill a Jedi Master and not because she was "watching him and he stepped out of line" (with evil and good TKAs what exactly is "stepping out of line"). In Shadows of the Empire Prince Xizor used two tka twins to kick arse and take names....hmmm no jedi watching there. So of the quotes dealing with this are:
3,991 BSW4
The Teräs Käsi was founded thousands of years ago,during the last of
the great wars between the Light and the Dark.
A decisive battle between the two great forces occurred in the Pacanth Reach, devastating the planet of Palawa itself. The victory was attained, but at momentous cost to the civilian population. The Jedi Council, deeply saddened by the outcome of the events, nevertheless deemed it 'acceptable losses'. The battleground was not one of the Order's choosing, the evil had to be stopped, it was one planet against
thousands - there was no choice.
The civilians that survived the battle saw it differently.
The meager handful of survivors relocated to the nearby world of
Bunduki. The remaining Palawan concluded that so much force, so much
power - in the hands of one people, regardless of how well intentioned and regulated. They vowed never to let happen to others what had happened to them. They began the study of the mind over the body, how to master self from without and within. They forged themselves to be a force capable of dealing with Jedi, should the need arise.http://www.galacticembassy.com/mx2705/index.php?page=2
it seems tka was more created with more of a self defense aspect then a highlander-watcher type relationship with jedi. True some went on to hunt dark jedi yet the primary focus was defense against being destroyed by jedi.....not watching them.
my two cents
Teras Kasi:
The Martial-Arts form known as Steel hands originated ina remote star clustercalled the Pacanth Reach. Many who have learned the secrets of teras kasi have brought the knowledge to other corners of the galaxy.
Practitioners of teras kasialso study history, philosophy, and metaphysics.
The martial arts movementsof ters kasi are based on the hunting characteristics of various beasts throughout the galaxy and r given names such as Charging Wampa, Rancor Rising, Riding Bantha, and Dancing Dragonsnake.To learn the secrets of the teras kasi, one must find a teacher who has studied the form. An individual with the feat learn quickly. but does not gain any bonuses.
a slight reference to the Teras Kasi art in another book. It's Agents of Chaos II, author James Luceno. The specific quotation can be found on page 130:
"This form of hand-to-hand combat [not teras kasi] has its origin in a martial art developed by the Lorell Raiders when their chief preoccupation was the capture and distribution of female prisoners. While perhaps not as deadly or as mystical in nature as teras kasi- the "steel hands" technique taught by the Followers of Palawa in the Pacanth Reach star cluster in the Outer Rim-it is nonetheless... "
Windsplitter has a good post here: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=teras_kasi_artist&message.id=44795
It all boils down to this, EU and Starwar games material all has Lucas Arts licensing attached to them and with all all Lucas Arts licensed material the final content must be approved by Lucas in order to go out especially in video games. Even per devs of this game every little piece regarding content proffession and skillsthey produce must be approved bu Lucas Arts. However understanding the hardcore Starwars fan definitnion of canon is sololey that which realtes to the movies and the materials used and produces to make those movies. But then where does that leave us. You have writers of both books and video games who have created the TKA as a "mystical" powerful martial arts that both challenged Jedi and that Jedi actually learned to improve themselves. So if we take those sources as a starting point we have just that a starting point. Whether things are changed thats up to Lucas Arts and SOE we can only voice our opinion. I believe development of the TKA should be progressed to reflect the EU and previous games characterization of the art... why? ............ because I think it would be fun thats it thats my whole reason, simply my opinion. You might not think its fun and not want it that way but thats your opinion.
Two things I do know SOE developers used EU material to name our moves and it has been stated that Jedi will be having more enemies in the future. Now what does that mean? Who knows exactly. Maybe it means proffessions that can better challenge a Jedi in combat.... or maybe it means another proffession besides BH will be hunting down Jedi.... maybe TKA.... maybe not... who knows. I just want to see these combat revamp docs to see what the devs have in mind for the proffession that seems the most important to me at this point.
NeoEcks wrote:
{snip}...i am not saying they don't exist in the EU, it is just that keeping Jedi in check is NOT thier roll...{snip}
just in case anyone missed it
"Well, here is the history as stated on these boards, this is EU information that I have seen elswhere and it is what has been accepted as EU cannon."
What you just quoted is fan fiction. Yes, unfortunately there is a link to that information in the FAQs, and I think it's there to show someone's idea of what a TKA is. But that did not come from any licensed source, it came from something this guy made up on another message board. To be more specific, it was written by somebody named "Ragman" on a gaming community board devoted to stories (that's right, stories). It was a story somebody wrote.
If that's enough for you to consider it canon, I can go ahead and write some stories for you.
ps Nothing is canon except for what is in the Star Wars movies, screenplays for movies, novels based on the movies, or radio plays based on the movies. The term "EU canon" is a contradiction, the EU is all of the "official" Star Wars stuff that isn't canon. Read here
F that...I think bruce lee could solo a rancor....hehe.
Finnean wrote:
Dont think Bruce Lee could solo rancors either Atama....
InfidiMihi wrote:
thats because many jedi are newbs. A knowledgable jedi will own a melee stacker any day
And a knowledgeable melee stacker will own a knowledgeable jedi anyday.....I have been able to solo a couple competant jedi on my server and even more nub jedis.......the only thing that stops me from winning a jedi fight is a good jedi knightwith anUBER one handed saber...
Atama wrote:
Hopefully the balance should address that. I've said in the past that I would never expect Bruce Lee to beat Darth Vader in a fight. A TKM alone should have trouble against a Jedi Knight unless that Jedi was really unprepared or just didn't know what he was doing.
Dont think Bruce Lee could solo rancors either Atama....
Or KD from 23 meters away.....
Or meditate poison, disease and wounds away in minutes....
Now, take a wirefu Chinese Theatre Kung-Fu Master and hand him some "brass knuckles" that can slice through steel with the whitehot vibrating blade.....