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Thread: why are we (MTKA) so hated? :(

oliphontmon
Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:40 pm
#14

i dont think its the other melees that are gimped, its the people behid the avatar, last night in coronet on sunrunner, i saw a hs/pikeman wookie no less take out an overt reb and a gtef reb, he ended up losing because the last tk standing called for backup and gtefed another reb, the other one promptly took him down, but id say that a hs/pikeman wookie really won the match against not one, but 2 tks, one was master also, spamming uh3, so dont tell me that your profs are weak, its the players that are weak. think that just because they are tk you should automatically be scared of them, and the 3 tks were all fully armored in composite, i dont know the stats because they arent me, but you guys arent as gimped as youd like to think, you should really, learn how to PLAY. ill give you props again wook if you read this, you know who you are.



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ShaiLyn
Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:50 pm
#15

i wouldn't say pikeman is bugged. it's definitely stronger offensively than tk. if tk's kd is overpowered, how overpowering is it to have an area kd and an area bleed? try going to the geonosian facility as a master pikeman, run to the middle of the 20 or so geonosians that cluster close together near the entrance, then spam the area kd, bleeds, and hits for about 15 seconds. then tell me pikeman is broken.


fencer is the redheaded stepchild of the brawlers. they use to be useful because of their defenses stacking with pistoleer or one of the other brawlers, but now that's gone.





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JawaJoey2
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:18 pm
#16

Any proffession that has a KD skill uses it all they can. Period. It's a powerful and extremely useful move, nothing else to it. Many other proffessions' KD's sometimes don't work as well as a TKA's though. TKA's are fast and when they fight they look really fast and powerful, especially when their enemy goes down after a few seconds. That's intimidating and people assume they're overpowered. TKA's, aside from maybe a little too much unarmed toughness and, are fairly balanced. I only have KD1 atm, but as much as I'd like to I can't spam it and the rest of my specials like I'd like because It costs too much HAM. There are no real issues. Any ranged prof player who loses to a TKM is an idiot. Just don't get within 20m and you can't lose vs a TKM. TKA is actually balacned, and just because it works very well people are envious. The basic truth is, TKA is easy to be good at. Pretty much ant prof can win a fight, it just depends on the player, it's just very easy to play well with a TKA. KD2, UH3, and lunge will get you awfully far.






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ThGilsRooc
Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:25 pm
#17

Back in the day, TKA's were a joke. Everyone, who was everyone, claimed that ranged was the big deal. That was the day when TKA's were few and far between (kind of like pikeman). Now, every swinging novice TKAmeditates at starports/cantinas/middle of the area. It's stupid. And you know they aren't that high up because their wounds aren't healing. So I say:


Me: Dude, why are you meditating?
Novice: I think it looks so cool that I sit like this.
Me:Maybe if you're one of the few, but there are three others around you doing the same thing. It looks stupid.
Novice: You're just jealous.
Me: Lets duel, I'll show you what UnarmedHit3 looks like when you're looking up at the incoming shuttle.


It's so dorky. God, no one witnesses me meditating unless to cure bleeds/poison/disease, wound healing, or powerboosting (barely noticable since I'm meditating long enough to PB and I'm up). I don't know... I just don't like people knowing what my combat class is (provided they don't read my posts).


What is my point? People hate TKA because almost everyone else is TKA as well (at least, that is what it seems). They like to display it as if they're special.


A friend of mine returned to the game after a month vacation. He was the third TKM on Bria. He liked the status of being one of the few. Returning to TKA was on his mind until he observed Nym's Stronghold starport.He has since changed his mind because "EVERYONE" is a TKA now. He's now looking into MBH. At least the few you see for any length of time actually do it for enjoyment and there aren't 20 of them in any given social setting.



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KnightHawk420
Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:29 pm
#18

Hmm well I don't hate MTKA.......



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KnightHawk420
Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:34 pm
#19

Swordsmen are silly. Lets all forget about the secondary defenses and overall better state defenses of the other professions, lets overlook the fact that a swordsmen gets an AP2 weapon with BLAST DMG!!.


Just because your combat log doesn't show it, doesn't mean swordsmen get outdamaged by TKA. Whether or not a swordmen truly gets outdmged by a TKA has alot more to do than simply speed and raw dmg. AP and dmg type play a big role in someones true effectiveness.


Have a race between a TKAand aSwordsmen as towho canblow up thelarger tower turret the quickest....the TKA won't be winning that one.





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Banzai51
Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:40 pm
#20

Read the other combat professions. Everyone gets bitched at. It boils down to some punk getting owned in PvP and then running to the forums to cry nerf. After all, they are l33t and ub3r, you shouldn't actually beat them. It is like the hate the Jedi inspirer.Idiots deems themselves l33t so it is an insult that they are not Jedi and must kill every Jedi they see. TKM is one of the few mostly working professions, the Meditate tree is very cool, and lots of people took the profession up. Let them hate.


Andto the Pikemen: Are you really, really sure you're broken? Pikemen in history were always the least skilled warriors on the battlefield. A polearm is very unweildly and 1 on 1 the Pikeman is meat. They only were effective when there was a lot of them lined up shoulder to shoulder defending a set piece of the battlefield against a charge. Think about it: give a man an heavy 8-10ft weapon and put him on foot? Goodnight sweatheart.



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piezo
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:19 pm
#21

One reason why tka are so hated is the fact that they are undeniably far better than the other brawlers, yet in their forums,are always asking the correspondant for ludicrous things. I've been away a few months, but when i used to visit here i would regularly see posts where tka would be trying to justify getting stun damage, dual VKs, faster running speeds, the ability to get rid of flame dots, or even force powers?!


In other brawler forums the players were trying to get their numerous broken specials fixed, or their huge ham drains adjusted. The TKA meanwhile were asking to be completely unbeatable. What makes it worse is that with almost every patch the TKA have pulled ahead of the other brawlers EVEN MORE. Ignoring dmg mitigation one patch, then the next one the other brawler's bleeds were nerfed into uselessness, where they used to be the only thing that couldhelp them in a fight with tkas.


Just try and look at it from the perspective of the other brawlers, it seems pretty unfair.



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Artrus
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:32 pm
#22



Banzai51 wrote:
Andto the Pikemen: Are you really, really sure you're broken? Pikemen in history were always the least skilled warriors on the battlefield. A polearm is very unweildly and 1 on 1 the Pikeman is meat. They only were effective when there was a lot of them lined up shoulder to shoulder defending a set piece of the battlefield against a charge. Think about it: give a man an heavy 8-10ft weapon and put him on foot? Goodnight sweatheart.





I'm sorry buts thats the worst excuse I've seen for pikeman being broken so far. If thats how this game was meant to be and only some classes were meant to be good and some were meant to be extremely horrible then why the hell would they even put the horrible classes in the game? If you are a master in a elite or hybrid profession you are supposed to have a pretty close macth against another master of any other profession if you both have average weapons and average or no armor. But this isn't the case, we have certain classes that are far better than other classes. Take a pikeman and macth him against a TKA its not even close, its a joke... the TKA would win by a landside even without vibros. In regular GCW PvP the main thing causing lots of unbalance is armor, when you put a rifleman, pistoleer, or fencer with 80% armor against a swordsaman, pikeman, or even a TKA with 80% armor who do you think will win? Its quite obvious... devs need to put armor decay back into PvP, its alright to have good armor but dying over and over with no effect on the armor is worng because of how much it effects how good you are in PvP. Personally I don't PvP very often, things usually just get bad and lots of people get angry... I have a lot more fun doing guild hunts and other fun things rather than show off my "l33tness" by running around all day looking for anyone to fight. I'm sure most of you agree that PvP can get kind of boring most of the time. I mean how much fun is killing one person over and over in a group of 5? How much fun is being greived? How much fun are wounds? (well it doesn't really apply to TKAs ) PvP in this game is as pointless as the game Planetside. "I'm going to take to take over your red base because you have that red base, and you are going to try to take our blue base just because we put our blue base here."

So over Pvp is pointless and usually ends with alot of angry people, even though you can sometimes have fun PvP battles if your enemy is a good sport.



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Albwan
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:38 pm
#23

tk are hated because its the only profession(at least that i have done) thats not crap. most of the hate comes from ch'ers, which really are not that bad.
Artrus
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:40 pm
#24



piezo wrote:
One reason why tka are so hated is the fact that they are undeniably far better than the other brawlers, yet in their forums,are always asking the correspondant for ludicrous things. I've been away a few months, but when i used to visit here i would regularly see posts where tka would be trying to justify getting stun damage, dual VKs, faster running speeds, the ability to get rid of flame dots, or even force powers?!
In other brawler forums the players were trying to get their numerous broken specials fixed, or their huge ham drains adjusted. The TKA meanwhile were asking to be completely unbeatable. What makes it worse is that with almost every patch the TKA have pulled ahead of the other brawlers EVEN MORE. Ignoring dmg mitigation one patch, then the next one the other brawler's bleeds were nerfed into uselessness, where they used to be the only thing that couldhelp them in a fight with tkas.
Just try and look at it from the perspective of the other brawlers, it seems pretty unfair.





Well put, but we do have some people asking for stun weapopns too even though I think it will be stupid casue then every class will have stun weapons... I just hope the devs try to fix the deal with armor and make it so some professions like heavy swordsman can have a way to break through it. I mean how does a pistoleer shoot through armor with small pistols and heavy swordsman can barely scratch it with our huge hammers/scythes/swords. I don't no what the devs were thinking when they made giant hammers useless against armor.



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AurosBain
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:45 pm
#25

I dont think "tank" is the right word for us. I think Juggernaut is alittle better. Cause, honestly, a can't is kinda crappy in close quarters combat. Unless you consider they drive over things... which we dont really do. Instead, we're heavily armored and inflict heavy close quarters damage.


Granted, Tank is easier to say.
Mattius
Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:48 pm
#26

Reason - Dizzy / KD


I was beaten up by a MTKA the other day. Doctor Buff 80% comp moun.....


First thing that happened Dizzy / KD.



Ok it's a good move. I'm glad you can do it. However the next 5 minutes (literally) were very BOOORING as the TKA tried to get through my armor. All I could do was sit there. Eventually he beat up my mind and that was that.



I didn't mind getting knocked down. What sucked was STAYING there. Why people hate it is cause for the most part once you are down, you can't get up. I can't even swing my pike around TRYING to hit the guy who is standing on top of me.


It makes PVP boring. I've been wondering if haveing SL more to remove dizzy (formup I think?) would help. But then that means in order to combat dizzy / KD I have to waste points on SL to get it.


I would have loved to fight straight out, but seriously people get pissed at that dizzy / KD. And it has nothing to do with not knowing how to play yer class. We can TRY to dizzy, and the KD the TKA (i dunno if we even can), but you guys just go so much faster. if anything the guy who just does the dizzy / KD can't play, cause all he has to do is keep us on the ground.






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