Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Darth Maul- Teras Kasi Master/Dark Jedi Knight
Everitt_Cage
Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:26 pm
#14
TravonLepen wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
Darth Maul's flaw was he put too much effort into physical training and not enough into training in the force. Yes, he was an excellent duelest, and a very dangerous fighter. But had he put the time he did into studying fighting techniques into study of the dark side of the force, he could have whipped out lightning and such on Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, like Dooku did to Anakin, and Sidious does to Yoda in the trailer for ep III. After all, it was the force that enabled Obi-Wan to defeat Maul, not skill. Had Maul tuned his senses in the force more he could have anticipated Kenobi's attack. Unfortunately, the extent of Maul's power in the movies was throwing a piece of a driod against a pannel to open a door. And as far as the EU, keep in mind the EU also said Boba Fett was once a stormtrooper. The movies are the only reliable source of SW information that doesnt contradict itself.
well, you're comparing Darth Maul to a lot of the most powerful jedi ever known in the order. It is like comparing apples to oranges. Maul was a Sith apprentice, once that title is bestowed, it is hard to gauge what rank he attained before that. The flaw in your argument is this, Qui-Gon was very strong in his Force abilities, but he was killed in combat by Maul.
Sidious = dark lord of the sith.
Yoda = most powerful light jedi of the time
Dooku = once Yoda's padawan, second in lightsaber combat only to yoda. Many believe it was Mace, but according to Starwars.com Dooku was the best duelist after yoda if you are examining all jedi, not just light and dark side. Windu was the best among LIGHT jedi, second to yoda.
Your incorrect in most of what you said. There is no error in comparing Maul to anyone else. I simply said if he had spent more time in his study of the force itself, than physical combat, he would have been more powerful overall. And yes, as you said, Darth Maul was a Sith apprentice, but so was Count Dooku, and Vader. Sidious was always the master, so that meant the other Sith were the apprentice. And you also have a complete lack of evidence for what you said about Qui-Gon. Refer me to the scene in ep I which displayed he was strong in his force abilities. But dont spend too long, because there isnt one. He was wise, but showed nooutstanding power in the force or in battle unfortunately.
Everitt_Cage
Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:06 pm
#15
TravonLepen wrote:
ok... then tell me, was Qui-Gon a master jedi?
He wasa Jedi Master. But guess what? Dooku was as well before leaving the order. And while we saw great displays of Dooku and Yoda's force powers, we saw no great display from Qui-Gon. The fact that he wasa master doesnt mean, or even imply, that he was as powerful as other jedi masters, and it shows a poor understanding of the movies to think that it does.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 03-14-2005 06:10 PM
TravonLepen
Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:47 am
#16
Everitt_Cage wrote:
TravonLepen wrote:
ok... then tell me, was Qui-Gon a master jedi?
He wasa Jedi Master. But guess what? Dooku was as well before leaving the order. And while we saw great displays of Dooku and Yoda's force powers, we saw no great display from Qui-Gon. The fact that he wasa master doesnt mean, or even imply, that he was as powerful as other jedi masters, and it shows a poor understanding of the movies to think that it does.
Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 03-14-2005 06:10 PM
I think that jedi, in their wisdom, would not just bestow the title of "master" to anyone. He did indeed train Obi-Wan. To use a different example, no matter how talented a player is on their own, some credit, even if it isa small amount, is owed to his coach. We never saw "great" displays of Mace Windu's facility with the Force either, but we know he was a very powerful jedi. Same with Kit Fisto, or Plo Koon, or Adi Gallia. We know they were council members, and to me, it implies that they were powerful.
The "poor understanding of the movie" thing was unnecessary in my opinion, as well as insulting. I'm all for debate, but it amazes me how some "experts" on Star Wars don't realize that they ruin the franchise for others by pretending to know and understand everything in the Star Wars universe, and become insulting when someone else gives their opinions.
ITK5
Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:22 am
#17
Well, if Darth Maul wasn't griefing Obi-won and just did a /deathblow, then he wouldn'tof had to worry about his buffs popping.
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HAHAAAHA NICE.. Darth Maul must be from Bloodfin.
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HAHAAAHA NICE.. Darth Maul must be from Bloodfin.
Oxyfir3
Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:39 pm
#18
i thought qui-gon not using any powers in the 1st movie was just down plainly to that gl couldnt be arsed using loads of special effects cause he had already spent a bomb on the movie? 
ReelAblo
Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:56 pm
#20
TravonLepen wrote:
starcrusher04 wrote:
Traie wrote:I wonder if Maul coulda beat ObiWan had his buffs not ran out...I believe it was actually his power boost that dropped.armor hole
and I don't know if Maul was a teras kasi master but he had studied at least some of the art.
Specials bugged.
KnightHawk420
Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:01 pm
#21
Considering the light side uses of the force have very few to non-existant offensive uses... why does it surprise anyone qui-jon doesn't use little more than a lightsaber?
Which probably also leads into why Darth Maul mostly focused on phsyical prowess and not use of the force so much. As we see in EP2, a experienced jedi master has little trouble when facing the darkside powers. But more importantly most lightside focused they're abilities on use of the lightsaber, and only use of the force as a passive device, which is why Maul being focused on combat was a big advantage when facing off against light jedi.
Onitsuka
Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:18 pm
#22
CrimsonCommando wrote:He was a Jedi Master. But guess what? Dooku was as well before leaving the order. And while we saw great displays of Dooku and Yoda's force powers, we saw no great display from Qui-Gon. The fact that he was a master doesnt mean, or even imply, that he was as powerful as other jedi masters, and it shows a poor understanding of the movies to think that it does. ever.
Maybe he didnt want NPC's to see him and get put on the terms.
Skwall
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:18 pm
#23
I think if you read the episode I adapatation book even has "spitting rawl" mentioned in there if anyone is interested.
Atama
Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:56 pm
#24
The reason why Darth Maul was beaten by Obi Wan was a sudden TKA nerf. 
ReelAblo
Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:44 am
#25
Atama wrote:
The reason why Darth Maul was beaten by Obi Wan was a sudden TKA nerf.
No, he double kd stood the guy!
Halthron
Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:39 am
#26
I thought it looked like Maul was lagging a bit.
Atama wrote:
The reason why Darth Maul was beaten by Obi Wan was a sudden TKA nerf.