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Thread: Raph Koster's 8/12/03 response to the Brawler vs Marksman PvP debate

Rattalak
Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:56 am
#14

Great post!



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Omegaxboy
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:23 am
#15

If you want to talk about realistic, people who runs and turn and shot at same time won't be able to hit anything for sh*t. Also, if you are constantly had your head turned and running....you do run slower, not to mention with the weight of the gun. But, noooooooooooooo.....they haul just as fast as TKA, which is pretty much naked and shoot just as good as they are standing still.


There has been a proven of fact that if you are in a room of 12 feet (I can't remember exact length) that has a person with a knife by the door and a person with gun by the other end of the room. The person with the knife can and will kill the person with a gun because by the time the person with the gun unclip, pull out pistol, **edit**, and ready to fire....the person with a knife has already had his knife up to the person with gun's throat. Maybe Dev. should give what pistoleer all wanted and let them have hoster feature and make them take2 secs to pull out their gun.


Give me a break with the realistic bullcrap. This is Star Wars.




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Omegaxboy
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:24 am
#16

Btw, since range will always own melee......does that mean a novice pistoleer can own Jedi? Since they do only use lightsabers....I don't see how this makes sense...yea yea yea......they have force <----so, is that realistic???



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Aurilius
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:31 am
#17

I can handle being weaker in PvP. Every class should have its strengths and weaknesses and I chose TK for its Pve benefits. If i wanted pvp i would been a pistoleer too. but now i'm just nothing. what a bunch of bunk.





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BlueBlahBleh
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:32 am
#18

I hope Raph Koster pulls a gun on a martial arts master in real life and gets his ass kicked. Maybe he'll fix TKA then. Or maybe that really did happen, and now he is spiteful towards melee fighters.



LOL



Good point, Omega boy. If ranged should always win against melee in open space, does that mean Jedi should get their asses kicked by some turd with a gun?



The attitude that Raph Koster has towards melee professions makes me sick. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Sure, if you have two mexican gang bangers going toe to toe with a knife and a gun, the gun will win. But when you've got a pistoleer fighting a martial arts expert/master, it's a DIFFERENT STORY. RAHR! I want to beat some heads in. heh

Omegaxboy
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:34 am
#19

I bet you when he played his pistoleer character and got owned by some melee fighter because his own stupidity and pissed him off so now this is his revenge...



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Ringe
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:37 am
#20

I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW HE SAYS BALANCE IS ABOUT MAKING IT FUN TO PLAY! They balanced our class by making it impossible to play! Then they turn around and say the only reason to play this class is for self image. I am sooooooooooooooo floored! I want to punch someone! That is it. THis thread officially made me quit. I had already terminated the account, but seeing as this is the attitude, there is no turning back. I HAte YOU ALL!




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Munkie
Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:38 am
#21






IronMaiden7 wrote:

The is the first MMORPG that I have ever played in which melee users are so weak and totally owned by ranged attackers in PvP.







I suppose then you never played a Monk on Rallos Zek (EQ) and got kited and dotted by a Druid... or smooshed my Manaburn or Ice Comet in the early days.


Ask some of us old EQ monks about PvP... this is the same old stuff.




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Ringe
Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:00 pm
#22

Bump




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arcadeanu
Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:28 pm
#23



Munkie wrote:


IronMaiden7 wrote:

The is the first MMORPG that I have ever played in which melee users are so weak and totally owned by ranged attackers in PvP.




I suppose then you never played a Monk on Rallos Zek (EQ) and got kited and dotted by a Druid... or smooshed my Manaburn or Ice Comet in the early days.

Ask some of us old EQ monks about PvP... this is the same old stuff.






Everquest wasn't supposed to have a good PvP system. It was mostly optional in that game. SWG was supposed to have a good PvP system but it is VERY flawed at the moment. In EQ you could go up against big dragons and get uber loot so there was your end game. In SWG, PvP is the end game and I don't like it very much.
E
nd games in MMORPGs always change but the fact of the matter is right now that this end game sucks for brawlers.



Accuracy in relation to range in SWG:
Rifle: max |+++--------------------------------| min
Carbine: max |----+++++++++++++----| min
Pistol: max |+++++++++++++++++++| min
Selwynn
Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:44 pm
#24

I'm actually pretty much PERFECTLY FINE with Ralph's response...

I don't think we should be equal to range users at range and if that puts us at a disadvantage in a ranged game like SWG, SO BE IT.

What I have a problem with, and where I think the focus of our attention should rightfully be is that I don't dominate up close. The level at which I can dominate up close does not fairly compensate for the level at which I am bait at range. To me, that's the issue.

Either give us more ability to evade/dodge at range, to balance out for the fact that we have at best a 50/50 change up close, or make it so that we have our normal 0% change at range but more like 90-100% change if we can close the distance...

Now to me, that's the kind of chanllenge I would really enjoy.



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YourOnlyHope
Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:04 pm
#25

If we get a response to one post this year....let it be this one


Do they know how bad it's broken right now or are they really that clueless?


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Armanian
Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:41 pm
#26






YourOnlyHope wrote:

If we get a response to one post this year....let it be this one


Do they know how bad it's broken right now or are they really that clueless?


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