Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: Teräs Käsi Focus: Jedi, Should We Have A Role...
Sifer2
Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:34 pm
#14
As a Jedi I can tell you that if you want this I suggest you become a BH to do it. Hell most BH's are already taking advantage of our shortcomings as a Melee profession an are TKA already. In my personal opinion a TKA should not be a match for a Jedi regardless of some Extended Universe authors opinion. Lets face it in the movies no Jedi has ever died up close unless its by anotherenemyJedi Lightsaber. Im am aware TKA's have mystical inner Force Powers. However that is represented already by the Meditation line which gives TKA more than enough advantages. You do not need Force Resistance on top of that. I mean as if the Force Powers tree was'nt useless enough in combat already....
I realize some of you are starving for content like every other combat professionan want to capitilize on this whole "Jedi Police" sentence mentioned briefly in your history. But I personally disagree with it. In other words we already catch enough harassment from BH's which at least require you to spend a fair amount skillpoints. To give the ability to hunt Jedi to TKA the most dabbled in profession outside of Medic would basically have the entire server population on us 24/7. At some point I would like to be able to enjoy my character an not have to fight off some random guy.
headtrip
Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:26 am
#15
keep the TKA/TKM out of the roll, they are not bounty hunters unless they choose to have the invest tree. there is already enough problems in the game that need to be fixed without adding more insult to wound.
as of right now jedi do not stand a chance against melee stackers that take the tka trees. i personally loath the idea of being content for other people when it has taken me 8 months of grinding jedi XP to get as far as i am right now. only to have to keep regrinding more ungodly lame and boring XP when i dieso i can keep my level of XP.
why don't you guys just say lets power nerf the*EDIT* out of jedi (which they are currently still working on) and then allow all the professions to get missions on them. nobody likes to put as much effort into something like jedi just to be on an equal playing field, jedi are suppose to be uber but they are merely fodder for the melee professions. now ya wanna go ahead and let any tak dabbler have the ability to go out and get jedi missions. if that happens jedi simply will not play anymore becuase it will be a situation where logging in means you will definately die and have to regrind again.
--spent 3-4 months grinding professions to unlock
--spent 8 months grinding jedi XP
--have a jedi that gets pounded by any melee profession 1 on 1even though i spent all my skill points on jedi skills.
--gets absolutely sick at the thought of having tka hunt jedi.
*big picture*--regrinding sucks when you've already put that much time into it. i just wanna play the game and roleplay my jedi.
--loath the fact that my hard earned character is nothing more then content for those who want to kill and grief me, yet i have never attacked anybody and i will not in the future. i don't like it when people do it to me so i don't do it to others PERIOD.
*I i think it's a horrible idea to set TKA/TKM dablers out on jedi. even if jedi ever get some defense against melee i still think it's not right.
if other professions are allowed to hunt the jedi population then they should have to take chances as well. let them lose hundreds of thousands of XP per death and see how much they like it. even though every other profession in the game can make 400k XP per hour i bet they still wouldn't like it.
Hasun
Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:53 am
#17
come on Tanks spill, Do you know something? come on, one bh to another
Tanks wrote:
My personal opinion is that Bounty Hunters need some attention, and they be left to hunt the Jedi.
Agree.
Imperials should also be able to attack Rebel and Neutral Jedi, Rebels should be able to attack Imperial and Neutral Jedi, and Neutral Jedi should be able to attack Imperial and Rebel Jedi.
Disagree. Anyone wanting to hunt Jedi regardless of the faction can level up in Investigation 3.
As far as TK having a role is concerned. I have played a TKM/Rifleman for a long time and when finally the droids got fixed and Publish 9 got released, I dropped Rifleman and picked up BH on my other char. Any TKM that wishes to hunt Jedi can pick up BH as well (for now).
Edit: After Combat Revamp TKM might not be the best choice for Jedi hunting anyway.
Message Edited by Tanks on 08-17-2004 11:36 PM
Steagles
Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:33 am
#18
Jedi should have the same ability that BHs do to hunt down jedi...But no cash reward because that would take away from BHs main thing.
TKAs through strong meditation could find a jedi and then went to kill them...I think the game should work the same way...
For example if you meditate in THeed, a system message will say You sense someone strong in the force near by...And you get a waypoint to him, if hes near you in theed.
SLK
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:32 am
#19
This is most correct contentwise, but it would not work unless bountyhunters could hunt other players like smugglers.
The SW history does say that the teras kasi watched over the jedi, and kept them in check.
Also, for that only one to kill a jedi up close was another jedi, check my link
The SW history does say that the teras kasi watched over the jedi, and kept them in check.
Also, for that only one to kill a jedi up close was another jedi, check my link
Ryutek
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:35 am
#20
Tanks wrote:
My personal opinion is that Bounty Hunters need some attention, and they be left to hunt the Jedi.
Agree.
Imperials should also be able to attack Rebel and Neutral Jedi, Rebels should be able to attack Imperial and Neutral Jedi, and Neutral Jedi should be able to attack Imperial and Rebel Jedi.
Disagree. Anyone wanting to hunt Jedi regardless of the faction can level up in Investigation 3.
I agree within the thought of getting Investigation. I was meaning Faction related, as in Imperials having orders to eradicate any Jedi they come across.
As far as TK having a role is concerned. I have played a TKM/Rifleman for a long time and when finally the droids got fixed and Publish 9 got released, I dropped Rifleman and picked up BH on my other char. Any TKM that wishes to hunt Jedi can pick up BH as well (for now
Agree wholeheartedly
Edit: After Combat Revamp TKM might not be the best choice for Jedi hunting anyway.
Hopefullly Bounty Hunters will be able to do it without resorting to adding other professions, so I could agree to that statement in that respect
Message Edited by Tanks on 08-17-2004 11:36 PM
Ryutek
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:39 am
#21
Duedroth wrote:
Also, "irregardless" isn't a word, it would mean the same thing as "regardless", which is the correct form.
Message Edited by Duedroth on 08-18-2004 02:19 AM
From Webster's
irregardless
adv : regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously
Whether I choose to write in a perfect grammtical manner, or in a slang type manner, this part was off-topic
Gavvot
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:42 am
#22
I think that the TKA role against Jedi should be the one TKA has in all group.
Front line tank.
Being able to take more damage than other and divert the target attention from other members of the group.
So, for me, if any kind of change should be done regarding Jedi vs TKA, it would be a small lowering of the Jedi block ranged ability when he's fighting against a TKA.
Making it so that when a Jedi is fighting a TKA 1 vs 1 it doesn't change anything, but that a Jedi vs a TKA and a BH, the BH has an increased chance to hit.
Just a though.
Front line tank.
Being able to take more damage than other and divert the target attention from other members of the group.
So, for me, if any kind of change should be done regarding Jedi vs TKA, it would be a small lowering of the Jedi block ranged ability when he's fighting against a TKA.
Making it so that when a Jedi is fighting a TKA 1 vs 1 it doesn't change anything, but that a Jedi vs a TKA and a BH, the BH has an increased chance to hit.
Just a though.
Ryutek
Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:45 am
#23
I agree, but when I see so many threads starting up about the issue I realize I need to start a focused discussion so that everyone sees whether it is supported or not. This is just to try to keep the multiple new threads about the same topic looking in one place. If there is large enough support then I'll have to push for it, but It looks like most of us share the same opinion thus far.
LordMaxx wrote:
Id have to say no. I dont think we need to be jedi hunters in any way. Id rather see work towards a Teras kasi order then work towards teras kasi jedi hunting. But that is far in the future
RunigBH
Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:07 am
#24
/Laugh;
Are you really serious?!?!.. If you want to hunt jedi, then do what every ther melee profession had done and pickup 3000 BH. This is just another class that want to take away from what I once thought was a tough to get profession. The BH profession would be absolutely worthless if they allowed anyform of this without picking up the requirements from the BH tree.
I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but this is absolutely the worst idea i have EVERheard. You need to think about the other classes involved here. Some of us are not BH/Melee and have no interest in picking up TKA, but we do like to hunt Jedi. I seriously doubt you will get positive responses from any in the BH community...... Well except for the 60or so % that have TKA.
nolan007
Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:14 am
#25
Ryutek wrote:
Teräs Käsi Focus: Jedi, Should We Have A Role...
I want to know exactly what you think our role for/against/not involving Jedi should be. There have been many threads mentioning this issue, with discussion as to why we should and why we should not "hunt/check" the Jedi Population. Keep the discussion constructive and civil or I will have to have the moderators step in.
I welcome any input from both Teräs Käsi and Jedi, as it affects both professions quite profoundly. I also welcome input from Bounty Hunters, as currently this is their role.
My personal opinion is that Bounty Hunters need some attention, and they be left to hunt the Jedi. Imperials should also be able to attack Rebel and Neutral Jedi, Rebels should be able to attack Imperial and Neutral Jedi, and Neutral Jedi should be able to attack Imperial and Rebel Jedi. Note that this does also cause concern with "unconcensual PvP," and could be avoided by leaving it to Imperial and Rebel (dark and light) Jedi. Now, that being said, I do not necessarily oppose the idea of the Teräs Käsi helping to keep the Jedi in check. Irregardless, my opinion does not matter if the vast majority of you, whom I represent, deem it an issue you want me to pursue.
Again, keep the discussion constructive and civil.
Ryutek:
If the developers are wanting a more Star Warsy feel for the game, the Terä Käsi Masters should behunting the Jedi.
I suggest a few things though:
- Master Teräs Käsi should be required for Jedi Hunting.
- Master Teräs Käsi could only hunt Jedi players.
- Teräs Käsi trainers give you the "details" on the Jedi.
- TKA meditationgives you the planet.
- Seeker droids for planet tracking.
- Bounty Hunters should be able to hunt Jedi as well as Smugglers. Smugglersthat have done something wrong (failed mission / failed a Bounty Hunter terminal slice trying to remove a Jedi mission / etc.) would get on the Bounty Hunter terminals.
- Bounty Hunters need new weapons and melee defenses.
- The Bounty Hunter "No Jedi TEF" bug need to be fixed (caused by crossing server boundaries and Jedi logging off and on).
- Jedi need a boost in damage output and a few tweaks for fairness (detailed in my signature) . Jedi are a bit too weak against all melee.
Message Edited by nolan007 on 08-21-2004 02:09 PM
DarkHelmet-TIO
Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:15 am
#26
It says that Teras Kasi Mastersare able to go toe to toe with Jedi Knights in the descriptionsand are always policeing Jedi in SW Lore. Its an interesting concept. I would like TKAs to get some kind of abilities to help combat Jedi. We would of course not be the main hunters of Jedi, only BH would be the best at it.
Hard to say what we could get.