Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: HAX!!! HAX!!!
Roninnn
Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:57 am
#14
Hey Ark...SHUT UP!!!!
oh and p.s........GO AWAY!!!
Roninnn Three
atone48732
Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:13 pm
#15
uhm maybe the reason we dont like you is cause you cry nerf on TKA?
hmm maybe thats it
people these days
ArkMindSpear
Thu Mar 04, 2004 12:38 pm
#17
nutts, this was a big one too.
Message Edited by ArkMindSpear on 03-04-2004 02:08 PM
Wamphyrri
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:01 pm
#18
ArkMindSpear wrote:
Sit tight, it'll be gone soon enuff.
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What? this thread?
Thanks to Vasarian Brandy I am now the town drunk and ONLY go to the AA meetings to brag about the killing spree done during my drunken rage.
vaderbaiter
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:27 pm
#19
ArkMindSpear wrote:
I'm gonna have to say that the TKA boards have alot of bad people who are ruining the forum.
You spam our forum and then tell us we are ruining it?Lol your so off base the other pikemen are spacing themselves from you.
You come here and MAKE UP numbers( yes make up ) half the numbers on your original post were "like 30 something defense" etc.Unfortunately the thread is deleted so i can't get exact quotes.You can't just guesstimate numbers when your calculating defenses DPS etc.It makes the whole thing worthless.
Not to mention despite your claims of being a former TKA master you overlook the simplest of other things that can factor into the equation.
1)Like not factoring in the bleeds for the 3 mellee classes that get them, you know full well that they will bring the DPS of the other classes up.
2)Or you keep claiming that altho a Swordsman or pikeman can hit for much more damage per hit they also can hit much lower, which is true but funny thing is the high's and lows will average them out to around that of a TKA.
3)Or how about the fact that yes while TKA can do pretty decent damage they are limited to one single type of damage, which just happens to be the easiest damage type to get armor for in PVP and is one the most commonly resisted damage types in PVE?
4)Or how about TKA's being limited to only AR1 you dont think that should factor into your DPS calculations?
5) What about the fact that with the new plus 90 KD resist food combined with 80% resist kinetic can pretty much castrate a TKA in PVP?
Their are even more things that can factor in but this is what came off the top of my head.You start with flawed math and fail to factor in any of the variables that is why you have ZERO credibility on these boards.Please explain how your numbers even come close to being realisitic when you fail to factor any of the above in.Either come here with some numbers that hold water or don't come at all thx.
ArkMindSpear
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:49 pm
#20
allright you win, i will make one more post....
ArkMindSpear wrote:
I'm gonna have to say that the TKA boards have alot of bad people who are ruining the forum.
You spam our forum and then tell us we are ruining it?Lol your so off base the other pikemen are spacing themselves from you.
Only on epikeman has actually said that. And although i don't doubt that many if not most others agree with him, but still, that is a pretty unfair generalization, based off 1 person.
You come here and MAKE UP numbers( yes make up ) half the numbers on your original post were "like 30 something defense" etc.Unfortunately the thread is deleted so i can't get exact quotes.You can't just guesstimate numbers when your calculating defenses DPS etc.It makes the whole thing worthless.
I never claimed they were exact, they were just for a ruff comparison.
Not to mention despite your claims of being a former TKA master you overlook the simplest of other things that can factor into the equation.
1)Like not factoring in the bleeds for the 3 mellee classes that get them, you know full well that they will bring the DPS of the other classes up.
Bleeds suck, no argument there anymore for those TKAs. In PvP against an unarmored foe i can almost get a 40strength action bleed going. and they don't stack anymore.
BUT, i would accept that there are alot of melee weapons with bleeds that still do decent damage, and i have never heard of a looted VK, so they cannot get one anyway. If weapons with bleeds become more common, then the bleed thing would be a good argument again.
2)Or you keep claiming that altho a Swordsman or pikeman can hit for much more damage per hit they also can hit much lower, which is true but funny thing is the high's and lows will average them out to around that of a TKA.
And what does mitigation do?
3)Or how about the fact that yes while TKA can do pretty decent damage they are limited to one single type of damage, which just happens to be the easiest damage type to get armor for in PVP and is one the most commonly resisted damage types in PVE?
I have never seen a pikeman use a Energy lance or Vibro lance in PvE. nor have i seen a fencer use a stun baton in PvE. And in PvP i belive just about all of melee is just as ineffective against good armor as TKAs.
Wrap your mind around this. 99% of all pikeman are only privleged to 2 kinds of damage; Kinetic, and Electric.
Now, what is the special defense on Composite Armor? Is it electric? Yes it is. Pikeman now have 2 compleatly different damage types, all wortheless in high end PvP. Are you gonna argue with that?
Now, what is the special defense on Composite Armor? Is it electric? Yes it is. Pikeman now have 2 compleatly different damage types, all wortheless in high end PvP. Are you gonna argue with that?
4)Or how about TKA's being limited to only AR1 you dont think that should factor into your DPS calculations?
Since no one has any armor higher than AR1 in PvP, and you have the ability to Peirce thru it, i don't see what the argument is.
Pikeman and swordsman have AP2. What about enemies with AR3 and 4? Are we not just as out matched?
Pikeman and swordsman have AP2. What about enemies with AR3 and 4? Are we not just as out matched?
Can anyone even acuratly say what AP does, and that it make that big ofa deal in the grand scheme of things?
5) What about the fact that with the new plus 90 KD resist food combined with 80% resist kinetic can pretty much castrate a TKA in PVP?
Yes, it will casterate TKAs in PvP. But pikeman, fencers and swordsman will all still have 100% chance of hitting with THEIR knock downs. Way to think of the team. Do you tink all melee just consists of TKA? Or do you think that in the extreamity of a high end battle where some one would actually NEED to use this food to defeat the TKA, that the other melees would have been out classed and killed already?
Their are even more things that can factor in but this is what came off the top of my head.You start with flawed math and fail to factor in any of the variables that is why you have ZERO credibility on these boards.Please explain how your numbers even come close to being realisitic when you fail to factor any of the above in.Either come here with some numbers that hold water or don't come at all thx.
I think i have zero credibility becouse my posts made you think of the word nerf.
Just my opinion though.....
All right , that's it, the ark store is closed for debate.
I put in to have this thread deleated ASAP.
So, when they get around to it, youwon't have to look at it anymore.
All right , that's it, the ark store is closed for debate.
I put in to have this thread deleated ASAP.
So, when they get around to it, youwon't have to look at it anymore.
Have fun, enjoy
hope they fix your defense acuity then you won't even have to worry about fencers.
Young_Padawan
Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:00 pm
#21
ArkMindSpear wrote:
allright you win, i will make one more post....
Good, don't let the door hit you in the @ss, troll.
vaderbaiter
Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:02 pm
#22
I never claimed they were exact, they were just for a ruff comparison
Lol problem being using "rough" numbers destroys any validity they may have
Only on epikeman has actually said that. And although i don't doubt that many if not most others agree with him, but still, that is a pretty unfair generalization, based off 1 person.
Ark you realize that despite your threads being deleted that people still saw them including myself the thread on the pikemen forums had NO ONE agreeing with you, it's more then just one pikeman.Heck even Legwand a self professed troll told you that you would be better off on focusing on making Pikes better then spamming us.
Bleeds suck, no argument there anymore for those TKAs. In PvP against an unarmored foe i can almost get a 40strength action bleed going. and they don't stack anymore.
BUT, i would accept that there are alot of melee weapons with bleeds that still do decent damage, and i have never heard of a looted VK, so they cannot get one anyway. If weapons with bleeds become more common, then the bleed thing would be a good argument again.
BUT, i would accept that there are alot of melee weapons with bleeds that still do decent damage, and i have never heard of a looted VK, so they cannot get one anyway. If weapons with bleeds become more common, then the bleed thing would be a good argument again.
Bleeds don't suck that bad the other half of my combat template has bleeds and yes they have been nerfed but not so bad as to suck. And it doesn't matter any damage inflicted by a bleed adds to DPS the only way it wouldn't make a difference is if bleeds did zero damage.
And what does mitigation do?
Did you ever think maybe the mitigation thing is intentional? As in the reason mitigation it is done that way for TKA's isto make up for some of their limitations(lack of bleeds, only one type of damage etc)
I have never seen a pikeman use a Energy lance or Vibro lance in PvE. nor have i seen a fencer use a stun baton in PvE. And in PvP i belive just about all of melee is just as ineffective against good armor as TKAs.
Every weapon has a time and place, energy is great on endor against the mereks who are resistant to pretty much anything except energy, and tons of mobs are vulnerable to stun.And no not every mellee is is just as ineffective against good armor as a TKA is, the other classes can switch up their weaponry to compensate unless their facing someone wearing composite, in this case fencers with their stun batonsstill have an edge over TKA.
Wrap your mind around this. 99% of all pikeman are only privleged to 2 kinds of damage; Kinetic, and Electric.
Now, what is the special defense on Composite Armor? Is it electric? Yes it is. Pikeman now have 2 compleatly different damage types, all wortheless in high end PvP. Are you gonna argue with that?
Wrap your head around this 100% of TKA are priviledged to only ONE type of damage kinetic.Tka nowhave one damage type that is in your words completely worthless in high end PVP.So who's overpowered here?Since you guys at least are allowed two types of damage why not petition to have energy changed to something less resisted?
Since no one has any armor higher than AR1 in PvP, and you have the ability to Peirce thru it, i don't see what the argument is.
Higher AP inflicts more damage, example a rifleman uses an AP3 gun the armor negates it down to AP2 but they still get the extra damage from the extra 2 AP on the rifle.Thats why when i use my rifle and attack stuff with low AP i actually do more damage above their heads then i do in the combat spam window. You need to research AP more my friend.
Pikeman and swordsman have AP2. What about enemies with AR3 and 4? Are we not just as out matched?
Can anyone even acuratly say what AP does, and that it make that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things?
Can anyone even acuratly say what AP does, and that it make that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things?
Im pretty much 100% sure their is no AP4 mobs in the game, I've only heard AP4 mentioned twice ever and both times by you, you may want to check but i believe AP4 doesn't exist outside of your head.And no you are not just as outmatched against an AR3 opponent as a TKA, the TKA will have agreater damage reduction because they only have AP1, the pike and swordsmen will have a lesserdamage reduction because they are using AP2.Once again check out how AP works.
Yes, it will casterate TKAs in PvP. But pikeman, fencers and swordsman will all still have 100% chance of hitting with THEIR knock downs. Way to think of the team. Do you tink all melee just consists of TKA? Or do you think that in the extreamity of a high end battle where some one would actually NEED to use this food to defeat the TKA, that the other melees would have been out classed and killed already?
Once again you fail to see the big picture, KD is almost neccesary for a TKAagainst people with good kinetic armor in PVP, it's about the only chance we have to inflict enough damage past their amor.We don't have the luxury of switching damage types or to a higher AR rated weapon, nor do we have a bleed that disregards the opponents armor.Also people don't NEED these foods to defeat a TKA because they can just kite us, it just makes it so they don't have to be so careful keeping range.
I used to think you were just a troll now i realize your a misinformed troll with a poor understanding of game mechanics.
Message Edited by vaderbaiter on 03-04-2004 03:04 PM
Defconn
Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:56 pm
#23
ArkMindSpear wrote:All right , that's it, the ark store is closed for debate.
I put in to have this thread deleated ASAP.
So, when they get around to it, youwon't have to look at it anymore.Have fun, enjoyhope they fix your defense acuity then you won't even have to worry about fencers.
But...but...but...you're leaving? This is so sad...
You actually made me feel good. Proof that there were stupider and more spiteful people in the world than I...
Now we can actually get back to discussing how to make TKA's a better class of player without the background interference of a whiny spoilt kid...
Devir92
Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:41 pm
#24
As requested, an accurate desription of what ap does, taken from the Prima guide ( granted, guides are usually out of date the minute they're printed, but this bit has NOT been change to date in the game we're playing today)
" Armor rating: All weapons have an armor rating of either : 0 (none), 1 (light), 2 (medium), or 3 (heavy). All player crafted armor has a rating of 1.
If the weapons rating is the same as the armor being hit, there is no change in the damage calulations.
However, if the weapons rating is higher than the armor's rating, it deals an additional 25% damage for each level higher.
Therefore, a weapon with AP 3 attacking a piece of armor with AR 1 would do an additional 25% damage, followed by an additional 25% damage
So, a blast that hits for 100 base damage would do a total of 156 damage after the rating difference is calculated (100 x1.25 x 1.25 =156.25)
On the other hand, if the armor's rating is higher than the weapon's ap, the damage is reduced by 50% for each higher level.
Therefore, a weapon rating of 0, against an armor rating of 2 would do 50% less damage, then an additional 50% less. So a base hit of 100 would be reduced to a hit of only 25 (100 x .5 x .5 = 25)
Remember however, at this point player crafted armor has a standard rating of 1, but creatures can have armor ratings from 0 to 3"
That should clear up the "what does ap really do" question. And yes...AR 3(heavy) is the highest in the game...no such thing as AP/R of 4.
Message Edited by Devir92 on 03-04-2004 10:44 PM
ArkMindSpear
Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:57 pm
#25
Yeah, you are right, no AR/P4....
there are four levels of AR/P...just got mixed up
Thanks for bothering to write all that out.
I seem to remeber a change taht went into armour peiceing a couple months back, can't remeber what. I seem to remember it having somthing to do with, the increased damage is messed up.
Ah well...
vaderbaiter
Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:12 am
#26
Ark you know damn well your argument about damage doesn't hold water, you don't take into account the bleeds that all other mellee proff's get.Did you ever think that perhaps your guy's bleeds make up for the difference in dmg?Or did you ever think that by the other proffessions hitting for lower and higher that it averages out to that of what a TKA does?Did you ever think that with the new chef food that gives plus 90 to KD resist is a huge mitigater against a TKA in PVP, add in the opponent wearing 80% kinetic armor and their isn't much a TKA can do agianst them.
Basically Ark quit thinking so narrowly and look at the whole picture