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Thread: Teräs Käsi in the CU TKA Prerequisites.
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Mankind00
Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:10 am
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Teräs Käsi in the CU - TKA Prerequisites.
Please try & keep most prerequisite stuff here.
Currently the TKA prereq's are
Brawler, Unarmed Specialization Tree (4 boxes), Brawler, 2H Sword Specialization Tree (4 boxes)
Questions.
- Does Armourbreak (the 2H 4 special) seem, reasonably, effective as a TKA?
- Do you see some of the basic swordsman moves been useful to you as a TKA?
- How do you feel about the 2H prereq. Keep in mind that all professions now require another line from somewhere, no profession covered by the CU now requires more then one line.
For this one please try & keep in mind that saying 'make our prereq Master Brawler' is just not going to happen & to a large amount of people this would be worse then just a 2H prereq as it might been three lines & a mastery they don't want instead of just one line.
- Any other thoughts?
Attichetcuk
Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:46 am
#3
Mankind00 wrote:
Teräs Käsi in the CU - TKA Prerequisites.
Please try & keep most prerequisite stuff here.
Currently the TKA prereq's are
Brawler, Unarmed Specialization Tree (4 boxes), Brawler, 2H Sword Specialization Tree (4 boxes)
Questions.
- Does Armourbreak (the 2H 4 special) seem, reasonably, effective as a TKA?
- Do you see some of the basic swordsman moves been useful to you as a TKA?
- How do you feel about the 2H prereq. Keep in mind that all professions now require another line from somewhere, no profession covered by the CU now requires more then one line.
For this one please try & keep in mind that saying 'make our prereq Master Brawler' is just not going to happen & to a large amount of people this would be worse then just a 2H prereq as it might been three lines & a mastery they don't want instead of just one line.
- Any other thoughts?
I think it is reasonable to ask for 2h as a prereq. Most likely duel wielding nuckles will come into play. Though I feel that the unarmed line should work like the range support line in marksman. All should have unarmed as THE prereq, but unarmed alone should require 2H. Currently on test, swords requires2Hand 1H as a prereq. This means as a tka if we wanted to go into swords we would actually have to do 4440 instead of just 4040. Whereas with range professions, range support actually supports the weapon of choice and adds defenses. Maybe they could make unarmed as being the prereq for all professions, add a few defenses to it, and maybe a special move like intim 2 at level 4. For a numerical explination...
Rifles 4004
Pistols 0404
Rifle/pistols 4404 all usable.
Tka 4040
Swords 0440
Tka/swords 4440 one line with no added benefit.
GadonThek
Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:54 am
#4
Attichetcuk wrote:
Mankind00 wrote:Teräs Käsi in the CU - TKA Prerequisites.
Please try & keep most prerequisite stuff here.
Currently the TKA prereq's are
Brawler, Unarmed Specialization Tree (4 boxes), Brawler, 2H Sword Specialization Tree (4 boxes)
Questions.
- Does Armourbreak (the 2H 4 special) seem, reasonably, effective as a TKA?
- Do you see some of the basic swordsman moves been useful to you as a TKA?
- How do you feel about the 2H prereq. Keep in mind that all professions now require another line from somewhere, no profession covered by the CU now requires more then one line.
For this one please try & keep in mind that saying 'make our prereq Master Brawler' is just not going to happen & to a large amount of people this would be worse then just a 2H prereq as it might been three lines & a mastery they don't want instead of just one line.
- Any other thoughts?I think it is reasonable to ask for 2h as a prereq. Most likely duel wielding nuckles will come into play. Though I feel that the unarmed line should work like the range support line in marksman. All should have unarmed as THE prereq, but unarmed alone should require 2H. Currently on test, swords requires 2H and 1H as a prereq. This means as a tka if we wanted to go into swords we would actually have to do 4440 instead of just 4040. Whereas with range professions, range support actually supports the weapon of choice and adds defenses. Maybe they could make unarmed as being the prereq for all professions, add a few defenses to it, and maybe a special move like intim 2 at level 4. For a numerical explination...Rifles 4004Pistols 0404Rifle/pistols 4404 all usable.Tka 4040Swords 0440Tka/swords 4440 one line with no added benefit.
I diagree, I think that the two-handed line is both necessary and useful. Ranged Support grants some specials that can be used with any ranged weapon, but now that you can use ANY special you have with any weapon of a similar type(ie, melee with melee), thats all the two-handed tree does for us, it gives us some extra specials.
Ive not had a chance to get the two handed tree yet, Im Brawler 3xxx Marksman 2321 at the moment. Ill edit in some more info when I have a chance to do a more extensive testing session.
Attichetcuk
Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:39 am
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GadonThek wrote:
Attichetcuk wrote:
Mankind00 wrote:
Teräs Käsi in the CU - TKA Prerequisites.
Please try & keep most prerequisite stuff here.
Currently the TKA prereq's are
Brawler, Unarmed Specialization Tree (4 boxes), Brawler, 2H Sword Specialization Tree (4 boxes)
Questions.
- Does Armourbreak (the 2H 4 special) seem, reasonably, effective as a TKA?
- Do you see some of the basic swordsman moves been useful to you as a TKA?
- How do you feel about the 2H prereq. Keep in mind that all professions now require another line from somewhere, no profession covered by the CU now requires more then one line.
For this one please try & keep in mind that saying 'make our prereq Master Brawler' is just not going to happen & to a large amount of people this would be worse then just a 2H prereq as it might been three lines & a mastery they don't want instead of just one line.
- Any other thoughts?
I think it is reasonable to ask for 2h as a prereq. Most likely duel wielding nuckles will come into play. Though I feel that the unarmed line should work like the range support line in marksman. All should have unarmed as THE prereq, but unarmed alone should require 2H. Currently on test, swords requires 2H and 1H as a prereq. This means as a tka if we wanted to go into swords we would actually have to do 4440 instead of just 4040. Whereas with range professions, range support actually supports the weapon of choice and adds defenses. Maybe they could make unarmed as being the prereq for all professions, add a few defenses to it, and maybe a special move like intim 2 at level 4. For a numerical explination...
Rifles 4004
Pistols 0404
Rifle/pistols 4404 all usable.
Tka 4040
Swords 0440
Tka/swords 4440 one line with no added benefit.
I diagree, I think that the two-handed line is both necessary and useful. Ranged Support grants some specials that can be used with any ranged weapon, but now that you can use ANY special you have with any weapon of a similar type(ie, melee with melee), thats all the two-handed tree does for us, it gives us some extra specials.
Ive not had a chance to get the two handed tree yet, Im Brawler 3xxx Marksman 2321 at the moment. Ill edit in some more info when I have a chance to do a more extensive testing session.
Range support alone grants 10 melee defense and 25 range defense plus some decent defensive moves and specials. 2H only grants a few low level specials. My concern is for balance and usefulness. Adding 25 melee defense and 10 range defense with some specials to the unarmed line and making it the only prereq from melee professions would fix this discrepancy.
MrLeStat
Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:53 am
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I feel we should get Intimidate and Warcry. Why only give it to pikes. If we going to tank something. Taunting it to come to you is semi-useful, but Intimidate and warcry is a must for a so call tkm "tanker"
Atama
Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:51 am
#7
Guess you now know what that "1" means for Crowd Control during our profession definition.
TravonLepen
Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:14 am
#8
Atama wrote:
Guess you now know what that "1" means for Crowd Control during our profession definition.
yeah...
I looked, and looked. And it's gone...
Ryutek
Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:20 am
#9
MrLeStat wrote:I feel we should get Intimidate and Warcry. Why only give it to pikes. If we going to tank something. Taunting it to come to you is semi-useful, but Intimidate and warcry is a must for a so call tkm "tanker"
Personally I disagree. I do agree that Intimidate and Warcry are very useful skills, but not necessarily a must. Until we get to playtest high level content we really do not know, though, if it will be a necessity in this system or not. Our tanking is by avoidance, not by damage reduction like Pikemen, and so it should not be required for us to be able to tank. What it comes down to is that we'll see.
Allia_Rain
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:17 am
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Personaly I don't like the 2handed requirment, I just don't see how being able to use 2handed weapons has anything to do with being able to learn TKA. I would have prefered them uping the skill point cost of each skill box and throwing the armor break into the TKA skill lines somewhere if they really want us to have it.
jahlad
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:40 am
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while i can see why they have made 2hand a pre req. so that all profs now need 2 lines of a novice prof to gain access, it is also very evident that the devs ran into a problem.
ranged was easy for them...there are 3 ranged types (pistol,carb,rifle) and a support line...easy make everyone take support.
in commando, sl and bh (the supporting profs) again faily easy but his time the lines are split between 2 different novice skills.
melee is where the plan comes unstuck...4 lines and 4 fighting styles (1hand,2hand,poles and unarmed). now as the specialisations are to be in one type of weap then they obviously had to pair them up.
fencer and swords are an obvious choise....both are pritty much different ways of weilding the same weapon i guess. polearms, they could have gone with 2 hand here too i suppose although it could be argued that all of the melee classes should have the unarmed line as a pre-req? after all any master sword fighter or pikeman is gonna be pritty tasty with their fists.
working out the pre-req for tkm they had to compromise what they had done for all the other classes.....they chose 2 hand tho why im not sure, im not sure why but i personally would think that polearm made more sence as it is also a defencive based class?
probably no use saying this but i have a couple ideas
1) make the pre-reqs for swords and fencer the same ie, 1 hand and 2hand
make the pre reqs for polearm and tkm the same ie poles and unarmed
OR and i think this makes more sence
make the pre-req for the melee classes unarmed + the chosen class (ie unarmed + poles for pikeman etc)
and for unarmed make the pre-req unarmed + any of the other brawler lines.
an alternative to that would be to leave the prereq for tkm as just the unarmed line and up the skill points cost of the novice tka box and add a bonus to defences etc in there to balance the skills with the classes that have taken 2 lines. down side to this would be that any player that was taking tka as a 2nd prof would suffer in the sp department.
snaber69
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:50 am
#12
I think the reason the Dev's didn't give us polearm as our 2nd is that it would make it very easy to get pike and 0/0/3/0 for warcry and imitidation. This way if we want those skills we have to use up abit of skill pts to get them.
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