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Is there any way to figure out what the stats are for bare fists (without VKs)?

I know that the damage and speed increases as we get more skill in Unarmed damage and Unarmed speed but is there anyway to figure out how to translate that into weapon damage and weapon speed so that they could be compared to VK's?

Thanks in advance for any info

Trust me, if your enemy is unarmored use bare fists (high level TKA) cause you will half incap urself (if not fully) if you wear those **edit** vibro knucklers, Lol i just started thinking about what a joke they are, I might as well become a polearm if I'm gonna wear those VKers

Hello trolls!

Sheesh! No one was complaining about HAM costs for TK! I re-read just to make sure and there is NO ONE complaining about HAM costs for TK! One person was bascially saying,

DO NOT USE VK's BECAUSE OF THE HIGH HAM COSTS THE VK ADD TO THE SPECIALS AS OPPOSED TO NO VK USE!

Perhaps that person has a crummy set of VK's cause my guild leader gave me a pair of VK's he looted with special cost 9/13/9 if memory serves. Damage isn't that great, but the low special cost is very nice, CLOSE to going without VK's, but doing more damage than bare fists.

Then some one else mentioned how they cure the SPECIAL COST ON THE VK's by EATING FOOD and specified some of the bonus' and their routine.

I do not feel bad about using so many caps in this one occurence because I just want to make sure that everyone else who reads this thread understands that

NO ONE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SPECIALS COST FOR TK!

So relax, and re-read the posts before you start your trolling.

Kylekatarn said -

"cause you will half incap urself (if not fully) if you wear those **edit** vibro knucklers, Lol i just started thinking about what a joke they are, I might as well become a polearm if I'm gonna wear those VKers"

that my good sir is complaining about the HAM costs

And i wasn't ranting and raving about the HAM costs for no-vk or vk or TKAattacks, i was talking abouthow people like Kylekatarn complain that you'll incap yourself with the "high" HAM costs but in realitythe HAM costs are the lowest on VK's (except for those few items that have uber HAM costs)

signed the grumpy Troll

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PermaSt0ne wrote:

Kylekatarn said -

"cause you will half incap urself (if not fully) if you wear those **edit** vibro knucklers, Lol i just started thinking about what a joke they are, I might as well become a polearm if I'm gonna wear those VKers"

that my good sir is complaining about the HAM costs

And i wasn't ranting and raving about the HAM costs for no-vk or vk or TKAattacks, i was talking abouthow people like Kylekatarn complain that you'll incap yourself with the "high" HAM costs but in realitythe HAM costs are the lowest on VK's (except for those few items that have uber HAM costs)

signed the grumpy Troll

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He is complaining about HAM costs. HAM costs with knuckles equipped. I wish he would come back and let us know the special cost on his knuckles so we can get a picture of exactly what he is talking about, as opposed to debating the meaning of the specific words he used. Also, I would like to know if he is wearing armor because that will also increase the HAM costs.

And while we do not complain about HAM costs, we can kill ourselves from over using specials (in a no buff, no drug, no food situation) because we have such a fast attack time. If our HAM costs are, say, half that of Pole arm, but we hit 3 times per every 1 hit of polearm, then we are doing more damage to ourselves per round than polearm would be doing to themselves in that same time, right? There are plenty of variables involved, so i guess without specifics, all we can do is argue over speculations.

too true, and touche (too-shay?) meh whatever

Touché, I believe.

Hold Alt and hit 0233 on the numpad. ^_^'

so.....um....how about those bare fisted stats? lol

That is a good question. With Knucklers of max damage of about 170, i hit for about 100-130 more than bare fist. With knuckles that have been brought down to zero for vitality I hit for 300 even, every hit. Thought that was a little odd. I wish we had some sort of calculation that would help us with this. ^_^'

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PermaSt0ne wrote:

LOL You are so frigin spoiled with your VK's you don't even know. I would love to see you try to survive as a pikeman if you're complaining about the HAM costs on the VK's. TKA's have the lowest HAM cost in the game and you guys are the most powerful melee. SO stop your wining about the lowest HAM cost in the game being too high and stop being so conceded.

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Lowest HAM cost in the game... /lol Very sheltered existance you've got their.

lol ham bah i lagh at ham cost noobs dont seem to get it i can spam UH3 30X for no ham cost at all with VK equiped !!!!!!

how you ask its calld a wounderfull thing some thing you must do every day and most of us do to much thats why your fat eat FOOD

theres cheap good food out there that makes specils cost no ham at all like the good bred rschy 300-450 str

300-450 quick 300-450 foc eat 2-3 of thees puppys and presto no ham cost at all

go spam UH3 for about 10-20 min and afterthe bufsdie outjust pop a few more you can eat 6 of them and it only take 3 max to have no ham cost and by the time the secound set dies out your abel to eat another set

and it might cost you about 1k a day if you find a good master chef

kylekatarn

LOL You are so frigin spoiled with your VK's you don't even know. I would love to see you try to survive as a pikeman if you're complaining about the HAM costs on the VK's. TKA's have the lowest HAM cost in the game and you guys are the most powerful melee. SO stop your wining about the lowest HAM cost in the game being too high and stop being so conceded.

Lowest HAM cost in the game? My vibroblade has a ham cost ost 17 23 17. Beat that =P Decent damage too, 30-183 2.6 speed!