Teras Kasi Archive
Thread: TKM Choke Ability (Kun Kasi or Choking Hands)
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Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:39 am
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After reading through the boards concerning the issue of TKM limited damage ability I decided to post. I for one, even being a TKM/MBrawler, am against an added damage type to tka skills. Who ever heard of a martial arts unarmed master hitting someone with a Cold or Heat related strike? I am able to fight all medium mobs solo and only need a couple friends to take out higher level mobs (night sister elders) and I can make decent money. I love being a pure TKM. But it PvP what can be added to TKA to make it once again a force to be reckoned with and a force against Jedi?
My idea is the TKM level choke hold (Kun Kasi or Choking Hands)
One of the strongest forces in Unarmed Combat today in the world is Ju-jitsu and the leading weapon in Ju-Jitsu is the choke. It doesnt make sense to me that at the master level we have not chokes. Hmmmmm nice idea but how would it work?
Easy, there is already code relating to Night Sisters using a force choke. With the addition of some simple code and and added cool animation the TKM choke, if applied sucessfully, would act as a constricter of Ham for a number of secounds and add a Dizzy to the opponet. This would place even a super buffed super armoured opponenet within range of a TKM's strikes. All of a sudden those 90 point hits to Health are lethal.
Now before Nerf is cried out in a loud voice, as I said before this would be a MASTER TERAS KASI ability . It would have a low precentage of actually landing and for those with combat equilibrium there is a chance it can be stopped with little more than a dizzy to contend with. Once again this is just an idea that, to me is more practical of an Unarmed Master than some cold strike or heat strike.
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My idea is the TKM level choke hold (Kun Kasi or Choking Hands)
One of the strongest forces in Unarmed Combat today in the world is Ju-jitsu and the leading weapon in Ju-Jitsu is the choke. It doesnt make sense to me that at the master level we have not chokes. Hmmmmm nice idea but how would it work?
Easy, there is already code relating to Night Sisters using a force choke. With the addition of some simple code and and added cool animation the TKM choke, if applied sucessfully, would act as a constricter of Ham for a number of secounds and add a Dizzy to the opponet. This would place even a super buffed super armoured opponenet within range of a TKM's strikes. All of a sudden those 90 point hits to Health are lethal.
Now before Nerf is cried out in a loud voice, as I said before this would be a MASTER TERAS KASI ability . It would have a low precentage of actually landing and for those with combat equilibrium there is a chance it can be stopped with little more than a dizzy to contend with. Once again this is just an idea that, to me is more practical of an Unarmed Master than some cold strike or heat strike.
Join the Darkness MUAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHAAAAHHHAAAAA
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:44 am
#2
Doh, I hit the "keep message to top of board" dont know if I was supposed to do that. Forgive the Noob Board Poster. First time post mistake.
CptAdder
Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:58 am
#3
Hell if were going to make it a choke lets make it something useful like say a
"Grapple"
Master TK ability
40% chance to land or some such usable every 30 seconds
Forcestarget into close combat(Root them and you into close combat)
Due to the close nature of this combat all attack autmaticly land though no special attacks may be used due to the closeness of the fighters
And since the Dev's love Jedi so much Jedi can still use their force powers and Force push will always land and knockdown you(Free out of Jedi)
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:04 am
#4
hmmmmm sounds too much like berserk which already is not that good. My suggestion is in lue of only have kenitic damage. If you make it where we cant use specials using "grapple" an already limited damage class is limited further by bringing in close a figher (I cringe to think if it is a master Fencer) and not having the ablity to knock them down or use any other specials. I think a choke would be useful as a HAM constrictor and a nice enhancement because even though we may only due 45- 90 point damage with Kun Kasi that damage becomes very signifigant.
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:06 am
#5
"Due to the close nature of this combat all attack autmaticly land though no special attacks may be used due to the closeness of the fighters"
A fencer with capped dodge and a stun baton needs no specials with us having no armour to be decent in combat
A fencer with capped dodge and a stun baton needs no specials with us having no armour to be decent in combat
Shinigurai
Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:27 am
#6
Hmm, you are correct. You don't hear of martial artists doing cold or heat attacks, but have you ever heard of stun? Guess what! Stun would be the logical next damage concept. Think about it. Martial artists the world over look for pressure points to do more damage and disorient their opponents. The devs won't let the TK have stun damage though, because people will say we are overpowered yet again.
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:33 am
#7
Um.............we already have stun. If you asking for a higher stun you almost need a weapon...which once again defeats the purpose of TKA. Once again looking from a prespective of limited damge type (kenitic) in a world of 80% armour vs kenitic that limits us to 45+ damage point strikes in a world of 3000+ ham what would a TKM do to survive. Id choke the blood from your brain THEN comence to kick the crap out of you. LOL. I think the other damage types we already have (stun, dizzy, knockdown) are fine. Once again a choke would be an enhancement, not a one-button-kill-all.
Shinigurai
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:01 am
#8
Skurr wrote:
Um.............we already have stun. If you asking for a higher stun you almost need a weapon...which once again defeats the purpose of TKA. Once again looking from a prespective of limited damge type (kenitic) in a world of 80% armour vs kenitic that limits us to 45+ damage point strikes in a world of 3000+ ham what would a TKM do to survive. Id choke the blood from your brain THEN comence to kick the crap out of you. LOL. I think the other damage types we already have (stun, dizzy, knockdown) are fine. Once again a choke would be an enhancement, not a one-button-kill-all.
I wasn't talking about stun cookies. Read it and I'm talking about damage types.
Stun cookies do sound good though
SuiRyu
Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:29 am
#9
Lets make it like jujitsu then, no defenses while choking. You UFC guys make me laugh. sure jujitsu is great 1 vs 1 but it is the absolute worst fighting style for 1 vs 2. Yea his friend is gonna watcvh while you pin him on the ground ROFLMAO
Skurr wrote:
After reading through the boards concerning the issue of TKM limited damage ability I decided to post. I for one, even being a TKM/MBrawler, am against an added damage type to tka skills. Who ever heard of a martial arts unarmed master hitting someone with a Cold or Heat related strike? I am able to fight all medium mobs solo and only need a couple friends to take out higher level mobs (night sister elders) and I can make decent money. I love being a pure TKM. But it PvP what can be added to TKA to make it once again a force to be reckoned with and a force against Jedi?
My idea is the TKM level choke hold (Kun Kasi or Choking Hands)
One of the strongest forces in Unarmed Combat today in the world is Ju-jitsu and the leading weapon in Ju-Jitsu is the choke. It doesnt make sense to me that at the master level we have not chokes. Hmmmmm nice idea but how would it work?
Easy, there is already code relating to Night Sisters using a force choke. With the addition of some simple code and and added cool animation the TKM choke, if applied sucessfully, would act as a constricter of Ham for a number of secounds and add a Dizzy to the opponet. This would place even a super buffed super armoured opponenet within range of a TKM's strikes. All of a sudden those 90 point hits to Health are lethal.
Now before Nerf is cried out in a loud voice, as I said before this would be a MASTER TERAS KASI ability . It would have a low precentage of actually landing and for those with combat equilibrium there is a chance it can be stopped with little more than a dizzy to contend with. Once again this is just an idea that, to me is more practical of an Unarmed Master than some cold strike or heat strike.
Join the Darkness MUAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHAAAAHHHAAAAA
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:32 pm
#11
Couple of points...
I have no idea what you are refering to when you say "Stun Cookie". Teras Kasi recieve Stun at Unarmed 3...if you mean a stun strike that does more damage like a "UnarmedStun2" that may be an idea.
next point...
Perhaps I should have said Unarmed Competition (if you refer to Brazilian Ju-Jitsu)and outside of Maurice Smith in all of UFC there has not been 1 primary striker to win, they have all be grappling hybrids.
I dont know to whom you refer to when you say you "UFC guys". If you studied martial arts history you would see that most combat arts today are derived from brutal forms of Ju-jitsu. Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba first learned Yagyu-ryu Jujitsu, Kodokan Judo with Kiyoichi Takagi and later on Daito-ryu Jujitsu, with the legendary Sokaku Takeda, all of these are brutal arts. And this was years before he became enlightened and created a art of peace now know a Aikido. Also Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo (a sport) first learned the brutal arts of Tenshin-Shinyo and Kito Ryu jujitsu before creating sport Judo (the reason why he created Judo is because it was illegal to practice ju-jitsu outside of the military at the time because it was considered too brutal). Even the Gracies , if you read Gracie history, learned first from Mitsuo Maeda (called Count Koma). It was taught to Gastao Gracie's son Carlos. Carlos in turn taught his brothers (most notably Helio). It was Helio who felt it relied too much on strenght and refined SPECIFICALLY FOR SPORT (adapted the lying guard) not combat. Also
I could go on and on. Ju-Jitusu was an art designed for unarmed Samurai to combat swordsman in ancient Japan. For example when a swordsman would extend to strike, a practicioner of this are would close the distance and intercept the strike, effectivley trapping and breaking the arms and the joint. You can effectively enter, trap, break and drop or make one unable to physically continue in under 3 sec if your trained for it. If you dont think this can be done watch some Aikido (remember the watered down "peaceful" art) demonstrations (I still love watchin Steven Segal movies). Chokes are simply one aspect of a far more brutal art.
Now.....
I still feel that a choke is a viable option that should be considered for Teras Kasi Artists. Didn't mean to deivate but he struck a nerve.
I have no idea what you are refering to when you say "Stun Cookie". Teras Kasi recieve Stun at Unarmed 3...if you mean a stun strike that does more damage like a "UnarmedStun2" that may be an idea.
next point...
Perhaps I should have said Unarmed Competition (if you refer to Brazilian Ju-Jitsu)and outside of Maurice Smith in all of UFC there has not been 1 primary striker to win, they have all be grappling hybrids.
I dont know to whom you refer to when you say you "UFC guys". If you studied martial arts history you would see that most combat arts today are derived from brutal forms of Ju-jitsu. Aikido founder Morihei Ueshiba first learned Yagyu-ryu Jujitsu, Kodokan Judo with Kiyoichi Takagi and later on Daito-ryu Jujitsu, with the legendary Sokaku Takeda, all of these are brutal arts. And this was years before he became enlightened and created a art of peace now know a Aikido. Also Jigoro Kano, founder of Judo (a sport) first learned the brutal arts of Tenshin-Shinyo and Kito Ryu jujitsu before creating sport Judo (the reason why he created Judo is because it was illegal to practice ju-jitsu outside of the military at the time because it was considered too brutal). Even the Gracies , if you read Gracie history, learned first from Mitsuo Maeda (called Count Koma). It was taught to Gastao Gracie's son Carlos. Carlos in turn taught his brothers (most notably Helio). It was Helio who felt it relied too much on strenght and refined SPECIFICALLY FOR SPORT (adapted the lying guard) not combat. Also
I could go on and on. Ju-Jitusu was an art designed for unarmed Samurai to combat swordsman in ancient Japan. For example when a swordsman would extend to strike, a practicioner of this are would close the distance and intercept the strike, effectivley trapping and breaking the arms and the joint. You can effectively enter, trap, break and drop or make one unable to physically continue in under 3 sec if your trained for it. If you dont think this can be done watch some Aikido (remember the watered down "peaceful" art) demonstrations (I still love watchin Steven Segal movies). Chokes are simply one aspect of a far more brutal art.
Now.....
I still feel that a choke is a viable option that should be considered for Teras Kasi Artists. Didn't mean to deivate but he struck a nerve.
Skurr
Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:45 pm
#12
"Lets make it like jujitsu then, no defenses while choking. You UFC guys make me laugh. sure jujitsu is great 1 vs 1 but it is the absolute worst fighting style for 1 vs 2. Yea his friend is gonna watcvh while you pin him on the ground ROFLMAO"
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You obviously watch too much UFC. Ju-Jitsu is alot more than Brazilizan and can take out more than one person effectively and efficently without the worry of breaking knuckles or going to the ground. The world is bigger than your cable box. Since you watch so much TV im suprised you havent watched Steven Segal movies (the first Caucasion allowed to open an Aikido School in Japan - he is 100% legit artist TURNED actor not actor turned martial artist (VanDamme)).
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You obviously watch too much UFC. Ju-Jitsu is alot more than Brazilizan and can take out more than one person effectively and efficently without the worry of breaking knuckles or going to the ground. The world is bigger than your cable box. Since you watch so much TV im suprised you havent watched Steven Segal movies (the first Caucasion allowed to open an Aikido School in Japan - he is 100% legit artist TURNED actor not actor turned martial artist (VanDamme)).
Shinigurai
Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:46 pm
#13
Shinigurai wrote:
Hmm, you are correct. You don't hear of martial artists doing cold or heat attacks, but have you ever heard of stun? Guess what! Stun would be the logical next damage concept. Think about it. Martial artists the world over look for pressure points to do more damage and disorient their opponents. The devs won't let the TK have stun damage though, because people will say we are overpowered yet again.
Hey dude. Read the highlighted part. It is saying stun as in damage type, not move. Please read the entire post before you comment. The cookies thing is what we call a joke.
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