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Thread: A Teras Kasi, asks the Tailors on an idea!
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Jenky
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:27 pm
#1
Many people in the Teras Kasi community, are excited about the new jedi robes. Many TKA's(Including myself) Have felt for a long time, that an Martial Artist using Compsite Armor is just not right.
Giving the state of the game though, It's impossible to fight seriously without good Compsite and 2K buffs.
Though, while the other brawler classes seem happy with using armor, and after all Samurai Swordsman used Armor, so it would make sense.
I just don't think that fast and agile people like Bruce Lee, would walk around in big bulky armors! And I know this is Starwars and fiction and all, but I know im not speaking for myself when I say: Ohh god, please give us some kind of really cool good clothes that can counter the armor people!
And now I ask you Tailors(Just for the sake of a discussion), Would you guys want to be a part in a Teras Kasi quest? Maybe similiar to The Death Watch Bunker, where you need to come inside with The Teras Kasi, and craft the clothes, inside the place! Or maybe just getting a schemetic, like the current way it is?
At any rate, I just feel like screaming, because im so sick of armor! And this is not a flame AS or nerf armor(though they are too powerful when combined with Buffs), I just feel that people should have a second option!
-Jenky
UniformMarshal
Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:49 pm
#2
I think it sounds quite nice. Not a another DWB though please. Just have them give YOU a quest to complete and you can bring us the schem to make lol.
ArthurDentOnBria
Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:03 pm
#3
Two words: Gawd no.
Let me explain something: the notion that "what tailorsmake sucks and is not worthy to go on my back, but I can loot something good and you can make that for me" flies right in the face of tailors and gives us less and less reason to exist. Seriously, if this is the way the game is going to work, why not just give everyone the ability to make clothing and be done with it.
Jenky wrote:
Would you guys want to be a part in a Teras Kasi quest? Maybe similiar to The Death Watch Bunker, where you need to come inside with The Teras Kasi, and craft the clothes, inside the place! Or maybe just getting a schemetic, like the current way it is?
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-10-2004 02:28 PM
DanceRulez
Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:42 pm
#4
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:Two words: Gawd no.
Let me explain something: the notion that "what tailors make sucks and is not worthy to go on my back, but I can loot something good and you can make that for me" flies right in the face of tailors and gives us less and less reason to exist. Seriously, if this is the way the game is going to work, why not just give everyone the ability to make clothing and be done with it.
Jenky wrote:Would you guys want to be a part in a Teras Kasi quest? Maybe similiar to The Death Watch Bunker, where you need to come inside with The Teras Kasi, and craft the clothes, inside the place! Or maybe just getting a schemetic, like the current way it is?Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-10-2004 02:28 PM
That strikes me as being overly pessimistic. Granted there is plenty of reason to be, but personally I would not dismiss such an option so quickly. I don't think it says anything about the 'inferiority' of tailor items. As it is now many tailor items are already BE enhanceable, and if that were the case then I doubt I'd be able to sell a single item that wasn't enhanced to the gills. In reality I probably sell more unenhanced clothing than enhanced, and most of my customers are happy to get whatever buffs I have available rather than going elsewhere because my buffs aren't 'high enough' for them. Of course many times they request multiple items so I can max out most buffs with 2 items. I figure (just my own opinion here) if they did such a thing it would likely be for only one or a few items of clothing, like maybe a robe or a shirt and pants or something, leaving other clothing slots to be filled with "regular" clothing selections. My only concern with such a system is whether ther person asking us to craft such an item or items insisted that they have 4 sockets or something given the current state of sockets. If that were the case I would have to refuse to make it for someone unless they agreed to accept it however it comes out (and I'm figuring that any such schematic might be something like a single use limited schematic).
I have many happy customers who order both enhanced and unenhanced clothing from me, and I don't have a problem making any requests for a customer as long as they are respectful about it. I don't see this suggestion being any different. Now it might get a little silly if several professions had their own special clothing quests that they all had to come to us for, but then again, that might be a good business.
The last thing I wanted to point out is that in general people come to us for adventuring/work wear (maybe buffed, maybe not), special occasion wear, and casual/style wear among other things. I don't see this proposal threatening that.Shi'ann
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ArthurDentOnBria
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:55 pm
#5
All I'm saying is that we already have a problem in terms of having compelling products in our skill tree, there are no "silver bullets" in there, and having all the new content we're seeing be in the form of looted items, to me, is a big time slap in the face. Sorry, but that's how I feel about it. We already have too much, no need for more.
Syzygy-Gorath
Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:58 am
#6
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
All I'm saying is that we already have a problem in terms of having compelling products in our skill tree, there are no "silver bullets" in there, and having all the new content we're seeing be in the form of looted items, to me, is a big time slap in the face. Sorry, but that's how I feel about it. We already have too much, no need for more.
The problem is as much that the combat types that generally acquire these schematics and components view us as an impediment to having their phat lewt. To their minds, they fought the MOBs, they looted, and now all they have is a pile of stuff that they can't use—in much the same way that folks are now treating image designers as an impediment to having their stats migrated, we too are just one more annoyance on the road to uber.
I'm with Arthur. I've less than 0 interest in another limited-use, loot-component schematic. I'd be all for more static, enhanceable schematics, bringing BEs or ASes into the circle for defensive enhancements…but there's no way I want to another fleeting, annoying, resented, limited-use, looted/rewarded schematic.
Ais
Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:15 am
#7
Well as a TKA, I'm not sure I like the idea of all of us running around in the exact same suit of armor/cloths that is only good for us ... Personaly I prefer that we loot an item that can be added to the cloths(like a skill tape) or an item that can be used during the crafting to make certain types of cloths have the resists(like the melee defence cloths that can be made now). At least that way TKA can all have some say in what we dress like. Then throw in some new schematics for tailors (not special loot drop ones) that add martial arts looking clothing so that TKA and others who want to wear that can get it and while the art team is at that get them to add some other new cloths lol not enough options I want more ! lol
Aradia1
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:07 am
#8
I like the idea of having a clothing option for you guys so that you don't have to wear armor all the time but another DWB or loot/limited use schematic is not right either. Maybe they could add a armorsmith component like the BE components we use now or perhaps an additional BE component..but these need to be PERMANENT not limited. As of now I refuse to make limited use items for anyone unless they fully understand the risk involved and I cannot be held responsible for whatever happens be it a great/unbelievable success or a critical failure.
Rizzaka
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:45 am
#9
I agree arthur, i mean if they want to put in more schematics and/or places that we need to be dragged around for then let the dev's put in a Tailor Droid and finish off the destruction of our prof. (okay thats a bit extreme but hey, it makes the point right?)
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
Two words: Gawd no.
Let me explain something: the notion that "what tailorsmake sucks and is not worthy to go on my back, but I can loot something good and you can make that for me" flies right in the face of tailors and gives us less and less reason to exist. Seriously, if this is the way the game is going to work, why not just give everyone the ability to make clothing and be done with it.
Jenky wrote:
Would you guys want to be a part in a Teras Kasi quest? Maybe similiar to The Death Watch Bunker, where you need to come inside with The Teras Kasi, and craft the clothes, inside the place! Or maybe just getting a schemetic, like the current way it is?
Message Edited by ArthurDentOnBria on 06-10-2004 02:28 PM
ArthurDentOnBria
Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:07 am
#10
To me, I'd much rather see a three part solution that makes everyone happy:
give tailors some compelling new schematics (like TKA-wear) that will have people coming to us to buy them. No quests, no loot, just great looking new schematics in a multitude of new colors.
give the gun bunnies skill tape loot drops that are compelling but not overpowering. That way they can select what they want to wear for looks and get the benefits that they want. Also they need not treat tailors as crafting machines "here, take this and make that".
give tailors their own quests and adventures that don't involve blowing up fortresses or slaying things with 90% resists and medium armor. Rewards would be stuff that help us do our thing (new "permanent" schematics, skill tapes, and the like).
Songe
Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:33 am
#12
/agree ArthurDent
Or just give us more BE tissues, and more clothes to put them in. That would work for me too.
Rizzaka
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:15 am
#13
ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
To me, I'd much rather see a three part solution that makes everyone happy:
give tailors some compelling new schematics (like TKA-wear) that will have people coming to us to buy them. No quests, no loot, just great looking new schematics in a multitude of new colors.
give the gun bunnies skill tape loot drops that are compelling but not overpowering. That way they can select what they want to wear for looks and get the benefits that they want. Also they need not treat tailors as crafting machines "here, take this and make that".
give tailors their own quests and adventures that don't involve blowing up fortresses or slaying things with 90% resists and medium armor. Rewards would be stuff that help us do our thing (new "permanent" schematics, skill tapes, and the like).
take the quest idea and use the schematics idea and combnie them. Make challenging quests for crafters that grant us new permanent schematics and possibly make those schematics profession specific. Heck maybe make a puzzle quest where we have to display knowledge of a certain prof to get a schematic that relates to it. (I think its safe to say that crafters as a whole like to use their brian more than brawn so quiz type quests may not be a bad idea)
BE Tissues would be nice, such as a Poison/Disease Resistance one, but thats an issue for BE's more than us and i'm sure they are poking the dev's with a firestick on that issue as it is already.
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