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Thread: What I know about the Socketing problem: an update thread (which will be continually updated)

NJ62
Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:29 pm
#79

Thanks Kwee! I didn't want to post your post without permission, but my above posts were basically "I agree with Kwee AND..."



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Gyopi
Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:53 pm
#80

Thanks to both of you! Its nice to be well represented!







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ArthurDentOnBria
Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:54 pm
#81

NJ, you're doing a great job and I appreciate it. The only comment at all I'd make though is the bit about "negotiating for socket percentages". Ya know, it really wouldn't make me feel any better about this knowing that I used to get 4 sockets 90% of the time, today I get then 10% of the time, but after negotiating with the devs, tomorrow we get them 50% of the time, or 80% of the time, or 89% of the time. The whole point, to me, is that this was changed for no reason and made the game worse for us. I think you said that real nicely elsewhere in your note, but I just wanted to re-emphasize that. I think trying to rationalize the whole thing (i.e. we ought to get x% not y%) is the wrong approach.






NJ62 wrote:


I don't think the tailors are taking the position necessarily that they should get 4 sockets every time, but I think that the ratios right now are a little harsh.Getting 3 sockets 75% of the time and 4 sockets 25% of the timemight be more palatable.









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ShosuroHametsu
Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:25 pm
#82

I agree that NJ is doing great work here..........


I haven't seen any connection between skill levels and number of sockets. I'm a Master Artisan/ Master Tailor and have had a large amount of one socket pieces and quite a few with no sockets.


The tests here have been with small samples. The Devs have the tools to test their math with huge samplings. I suggest that they do this and let us know the results.


I'm not a fan of tailors having to use higher quality resources. I spend too much game time collecting resources as it is. I also am not crazy about having to experiment for sockets. That's another waste of my time unless there would be other usable qualities made available. I think that skill should be the only direct connection to the number of sockets.


They shouldn't be making life even harder for craftspeople. My server has far more empty vendors and closed shops than healthy businesses. I came from six years in UO. There were shops there, that had been thriving for 6 years. One of the problems, with SWG, is that you only get one character, per server, per account. Very few people want to devote that only character to a craftsperson. Be nice to your crafters, they are the "legs" of any MMORPG.


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NJ62
Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:47 pm
#83






ArthurDentOnBria wrote:
NJ, you're doing a great job and I appreciate it. The only comment at all I'd make though is the bit about "negotiating for socket percentages". Ya know, it really wouldn't make me feel any better about this knowing that I used to get 4 sockets 90% of the time, today I get then 10% of the time, but after negotiating with the devs, tomorrow we get them 50% of the time, or 80% of the time, or 89% of the time. The whole point, to me, is that this was changed for no reason and made the game worse for us. I think you said that real nicely elsewhere in your note, but I just wanted to re-emphasize that. I think trying to rationalize the whole thing (i.e. we ought to get x% not y%) is the wrong approach.







NJ62 wrote:


I don't think the tailors are taking the position necessarily that they should get 4 sockets every time, but I think that the ratios right now are a little harsh.Getting 3 sockets 75% of the time and 4 sockets 25% of the timemight be more palatable.













Reading back over it, I realized it sounded like a concession, when really I wanted to say "a more reasonable system woudl be one that generally gave masters 3&4 sockets, not this "2 socket average" which is ridiculous.


Here's my edit:


Edit: I didn't mean to suggest that tailors would be happy with 25% 4-socketed items: it's still a dramatic downward departure from what they're used to, and they would not appreciate having to try 4 times for what they used to be able to get the first time around. My points is that the current system is unreasonable compared to a 90% 4-socket rate. I understand that the 90% 4-socket was unintentional, but a 10% 4-socket rate after that is absurd, espeically since 3-sockets are still rare. I just wanted to stress that a more reasonable system would consist of 3 and 4 socket garments, not an average of 2 sockets.




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MBLAST
Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:47 pm
#84

/sigh


I think what itboils down to is: We are screwed for the moment

I'm not going to like explaining this to all my guildies and customers...



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Wire3k
Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:10 am
#85

NJ


Something that might cut a little more ice with the devs than our dissatisfaction is what this will do to their already bloated precious database.


You might ask them - uhhh, what do you expect people to do with all those 1 socket, 2 socket, 3 socket or NO socket items?


I'll guarantee - I for one won't be destroying them - they'd go on my vendor and probably sit there for an eternity.


They decide to put the squeeze on the other side with item limits on vendors - that will probably squeeze me right out of the game.


It makes zero sense to promote even more production when they claim there is too much stuff for the DB to handle as it is.



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Stalag
Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:51 am
#86


I have one point I would like brought up tothe developers. If this is the way we get socks now, put it in the next update notes. Not some little blurb. I want it explained to me, all the tailors, and everyone that buys clothing.


My new tailored clothing sales have dropped 90% since the loss of sockets. I have been in this profession since the early days. This is the first time in 9 months that I actually have stopped enjoying the game. Sad, but a simple explinationof what can only be called a Nerf, and some of our anger and resentment might have been reduced, or at least shorter lived. I plan to begin a hiatus while this problem remains unexplained in PATCH NOTES. I should not have to pass this news on to all of my customers.





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NJ62
Sat Apr 10, 2004 8:20 am
#87

Indeed this is the chief topic for people who stop in to teamspeak - "hey I saw you were doing teamspeak, and I had a quick question... what the frell happened to my sockets!"



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ArthurDentOnBria
Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:25 pm
#88






Stalag wrote:


I have one point I would like brought up tothe developers. If this is the way we get socks now, put it in the next update notes. Not some little blurb. I want it explained to me, all the tailors, and everyone that buys clothing.






LOL! I can see it now:


Patch Notes: "We decided that you should get less sockets in clothing, so now you do"


Well I know I'm satisfied now, how about you? rofl.

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Stalag
Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:38 pm
#89





LOL! I can see it now:


Patch Notes: "We decided that you should get less sockets in clothing, so now you do"


Well I know I'm satisfied now, how about you? rofl.





When you put it that way, it sounds like they just took away our sockets for no reason, but atleast the clients would stop expecting 4 sockets in everything.





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Gyopi
Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:16 pm
#90






Stalag wrote:



When you put it that way, it sounds like they just took away our sockets for no reason, but atleast the clients would stop expecting 4 sockets in everything.







The funny thing is that yesterday I was crafting almost non-stop. I didn't get any orders from the combat folks at all, but the people who want a different outfit everyday seemed to really be in a shopping mood! On average, my sales are still really bad, but at least I know every day won't be a horrible sales day.








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NJ62
Sat Apr 10, 2004 2:33 pm
#91

I won't tell you who said this, but a guy informed me that it was ok that I wasn't making 4-socket items, because he really only needed two sockets in his hawtpants! Then he said "for my legs, you perv!"



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