Tailor Archive
Thread: Gotta love this
Just happened to me so I figured I would post here.
I was sitting in the cantina with my afk tag on grinding the 2 boxes I still need for Master, and I got a tell.
A : Are u a master tailor?
Me : Not yet
A : Can you make fleshwraps?
Me: Not yet
A : aww how about evening gowns?
Me : I can, depends what kind you want
A : Lol i am poor but i would like a blue and green evening gown
A : what do u mean kind?
Me: There are a few kinds, I will send you a waypoint to my shop so you can have a look
A : Will u come with me? lol i wound not haveenough money to buy anything
Me: I can't atm sorry (was starting to get really annoyed)
A : could u make me a dress anyway? or too busy? I need an evening gown that looks sorta revealing
Me : They are pretty expensive, you should come back to me when you have some money
A : I have 1k on me lol but prolly noyhing u make for free... W. told me to find a master tailor who would make you free stuff and give out the names to peeps who would be rich
I mean... **edit**?
. I just tell them that I don't have the resources to make them and they always respond, "Ok, thanks." The only little trouble I had was a person had black gloves, really black, and I could not match her clothes to that black , even though I had tailoring IV.
Because with one schematic (well, when they're working anyway!), I can make 4 crates for 4 different customers if I so choose....or 4 crates for one customer, or however you wish to work it. However, handing over a schematic, which does take time to make with experimenting, can effectively cause me to lose sales that could be made to other people.
Also, handing over a schematic like that gives a non-tailor the ability to make crates, turn around & sell those crates to others, which could in turn cause tailors to lose business.
The classes are dependent upon each other for a reason.....granted, they could come back for more schematics, but that's not why I became a tailor. Ibecame a tailor to make clothes....not to sell schematics. I make crates in order to help the armorsmiths & the architects, but that's not my main business, and is not one I wish to pursue.
So, basically....if you choose to sell the schematics, more power to you. I just refuse to simply hand over something I worked hard to accomplish, especially considering I haven't ran into a person who has requested schematics yet who:
A) asked nicely.
B) was willing to pay for my time in making the schematic "at the best experimentation".
I can sell a crate of synthetic cloth for around 2k/crate. A schematic of 100 cloths equals 4 crates. Yet the highest offer I've ever received for a schematic of 100 cloths is 2k. Basically, I'm losing 6k if I were to do it. And after explaining this a million times to those who have almost demanded I make schematics for them, I simply refuse to do it. I don't need the money---I do it because I enjoy it, but I also feel my time is worth something....not to mention, there's an entire society of tailors out there who are directly affected by any action taken by any other tailor out there. Plus, it's not fair to the non-tailors who need the supplies, and who are willing to pay for that tailor's time.
I don't walk into a McDonald's asking for their recipe for a Big Mac, simply because I love them & want to make them at home, because I don't want to pay the money for a Big Mac every time I go in there. 
Hope that answers your question.
--Brianne
Okay over on the test center server I'm the highest skilled tailor around, almost master. Most keep confusing me for a master and for the most part my clientele (the majority of the population) is fairly reasonable and happy clothes horses who love letting me go to town on them. But there are a few... normally real young kids from the /tells I get that can be down right rude!
I also help run the only PA there, and work as the Dayshift Architect for basic housing and Lvl 4 harvesters Needless to say I am a busy girl. Here are some examples of my day:
Kid: Are you Master tailor yet?
Me: No, I'm filling orders right now then I will be back to grinding. I hope I can make it by next week.
Kid: Oh okay.
Customer1: Make me some Clothes!
Me: (To Customer1) Thats it? No hello, no how are you doing, not even a please?
Customer1: So add me to your guild first then
Me: o O (??)
Kid: So how's the grind?
Me: (To Kid) Um.. I told you in a week?
Kid: Oh okay, just asking. I love to talk.
Me: (to Customer1) Look I don't cater to rude people.
Customer: Can I have a duster then?
Me: Check the vendor.
Customer1: Cool can I get a guild tag then?
Customer2: Greetings Fair lady! Would you have the skill to fashion me a nuclear plant?
Me: (to Customer2)I have the skill but not the resources right now, it requires factory goods.
Customer2: Oh dear, that will not do - as an imperial I shall hunt you down then and force you to produce for me. Be warned.
Me : . o O ( Er.. what? )
Kid: So hows the grind?
Customer1: Hellooooo guild! Now! And I want that duster on the vendor too.
Me (to Customer1): So buy it.
Customer3: Hi I need a new wardrobe, could you make one of each of every color swatch? Money is no object.
Me : (to Customer3) Despite the fact that we have tons of inventory space (yeah right) you realize that you will have several hundred clothes if not over a thousand items right?
Customer3: Wow thats a lot of options! Go ahead.
Me: Okay I will need you to e-mail the order to me while I calculate the price I expect such a task will take me a week or two.
Kid: Hello? Have you made a level yet?
Guildie: Hey there is this Imperial in the TCPA chat trying to rally the tourists to hunt you down.
Me: You are joking?
E-mail arrives, its Customer3's order. Customer3 logs out promptly afterwards, making me very suspicious.
Me: (To Guildie) Look I'm done for the day with orders, I'm going to book with my droid to the wilderness and craft.
Kid: Hey when you make Master I want a fleshwrap, a Jedi one, in black.
Thankfully not often if at all does this happen.. but it can get pretty zany! The Customer that wanted 1 of everything never came back, so after 3 days of no show I deleted the e-mail and never started his order. The Imperial hunting me down realized that I was on the same faction and left me alone (LoL). The Kid still pesters me every 5 minutes....I don't have the heart to put him off because he means well, supplies me with rare resources when I'm in a pinch for free and what not. And the rude one that wanted to be clothed and guilded got banned. 
Hehe! This was a one-shot occurance, but wow it still gives me nightmares sometimes!
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[quote]I can sell a crate of synthetic cloth for around 2k/crate. A schematic of 100 cloths equals 4 crates. Yet the highest offer I've ever received for a schematic of 100 cloths is 2k. Basically, I'm losing 6k if I were to do it.[/quote]
You're losing 6k in revenue, but you are not losing 6k in profit.
Cost of making a schematic, assuming buyer provides raw materials: Time and expertise of the tailor.
Cost of making factory crates: Time and expertise of the tailor to make the schematic. Raw materials needed to produce the product. Factory time. Factory maintenance. Time spent operating the factory.
I certainly agree that every crafter should be paid for their time and expertise, and everyone has a right to decide what that amount is for them.
My point is not to argue what a specific amount should be, but to say that the value of a schematic is comparable to the value of a finished product completely ignores the expenses and time needed to convert the schematic to a finished product.
Bombaatu,
Heh, thanks for the concern, but I'm on Lowca...not sure where he got the Han Solo pants thing, but made for something I can laugh about now, although at the time wanted to reach through the screen and do some permanent damage =)
Brianne wrote:
Oh, I'll sell the crates---I'll even cut a deal for bulk buying. But I won't hand over my schematics. There's just some things I feel I've earned the right to keep a "secret", considering I was the one who spent the time to get to master.
--Brianne
Why not? I'm not a tailor, I'm a doctor, but I don't know why you wouldn't sell someone a schematic. Perhaps this is a bit different, but I have people waiting up to a weeks for orders becuase I can't crank stim packs out of my factories fast enough. I had a customer that recently asked me for a crate of stims and when I told him how long the wait would be, he asked if I could just make him the schematics. I told him my price for the schematics and he went off, happy as a clam. So was I, in fact. He paid me very well for them and my customer was going to get himself a great product without having to wait forever to get it.
Of course, his factory promptly ate one of his schematics and I had to make some for him again (which I was paid for), but that's another story. 
Perhaps if you don't have a waiting list for orders, you'd be a little more stingy about making the schematics, but I don't see what the problem is. But I'd certainly make the person pay for the limit on the schematic. If they want a schematic for 10, that's one thing - for 1,000 - that's another.
I mainly get folks asking to have something unique and sexy. Always when they want sexy they want to show a LOT of skin. I generally wear red and black camos and a bustier with black uniform boots. I had this customer send me a tell that they wanted some sexy that showed a lot of skin. I asked well, a fleshwrap, a exotic leotard *they were all white at the time) what? She decided on the leotard to which I replied, I need to tell you that they are bugged and can only be made in white. She said, ok. I gave her the price. She said ok again...and I made it for her.
She made it to my shop looked at me and said...I want your clothes. I sorta blinked. I said you said you wanted a leotard...she said but its only white. I said yes, I warned you that they are bugged. She said she wanted the camos and a bustier. I said ok and made it for her in the colors she asked for. She bought the camos and bustier and left the shop.
Sometimes, its truly irritating that they give us so many mixxed signals...or change their minds. Some customers that I have are just so much work.
Bridget
I just had to throw in my 2 cents.
God forbid you ever mention the two words...'limited' and 'palette'
/sob cry
915Knightsaber wrote:
I just had to throw in my 2 cents.
God forbid you ever mention the two words...'limited' and 'palette'
/sob cry
I finally solved this problem but it took me two days to do it. My website has pictures of every item in tailoring, and it used to have a page with all 4 of the main color charts. It now has hidden pages with every possible combination of color charts that you can only see by clicking the individual pictures of clothing. Fleshwrap takes you to a picture of the basic palette, belted skirt takes you a picture of the metallic beside the basic, etc. I've labelled each chart with letters for columns and numbers for the rows, and spelled out in nice easy words that if they see 2 charts they must use one color from each chart. It was a pain to do, but it has saved me soo much time. Now instead of spending an hour trying to explain colors, I just send them to the site and get email later saying: Grand healers robe, 1D, 3X and I know exactly what they want.
Now on to my new fun story for the day. After seeing the new and improved color selection on the site, a friend tells me - hey now it would be perfect if you put in a way to see items in each color so you'd know what they look like. Did a little math - any 2 color item off the regular palette = 4000 combinations. 4000 x how many 2 color items are there again? No thanks 
Customer (at my vendor, I'm far far away) /tell: can i have a discount on the cloak or the gunman duster?
Me: excuse me?
Customer: i'm asking if i can have a discount
Me: and why shoudl you get a discount
Customer: because I'm very poor
Me: If I gave you a discount I woudl have to give everyone a discount.
Customer: well I'm poor what am I supposed to do?
Me: I suggest you find cheaper items
Customer: geez I was just asking!
Customer: well can you help me I'm trying to change my look, what looks good on an <insert race here> male.
Well at this point I can't deal with him anymore, usually I'll help customers find what they're looking for, or do a custom order, but not when they first harass me for a discount. I promptly go /afk.
Customer: well?
AFK AUTORESPONSE
Customer: fine i wont bother you again
AFK AUTORESPONSE
Customer: I know you're still at your computer
AFK AUTORESPONSE (that was a little stalkerish!)
Customer (a few minutes later): It should make you happy that I just bought 6k of stuff at your vendor!
Hmmm... I thought he was too poor for a duster or a cloak. (by the way the gunman dusters are more expensive than the cloak, so if he were truly poor, he woudl ask for a discount on the cloak, and not the duster, the duster being out of his price range)
[quote]Cost of making a schematic, assuming buyer provides raw materials: Time and expertise of the tailor. [/quote]
Well, profit...revenue. Whatever. Point is, I don't have a lot of time to play the game---I have 4 kids & a house (plus a husband, who luckily is addicted to the game as well)to take care of IRL, so my time is very precious to me.
True, if someone were to offer the resources, etc. it could be different. I suppose if I had kept the entire conversations, I could've explained myself completely, but didn't realize I'd need to in order to prove why I've been so PO'ed about these requests. But the basic fact of the matter is, I was offered no more than 2k for a schematic by more than one person, expecting me to use my own resources (which, I don't know how they expected to run the schematics considering my resources probably wouldn't match theirs), andso on.
And in the end, it comes down to my first point---I haven't met a nice person yet who has requested it. Basically what I was told by one person was that I HAD to do it....that because he couldn't do it, yet I could because I had the skills to do it, that I HAD to do it for him. I told him to go find someone else to do it because I wouldn't. I won't be told I have to do anything. Doesn't work with my kids so why would it work with someone I don't know? ::shrug:::
Politeness goes a long way in the game. So does respect. I spent a lot of time & (in-game) money getting to master tailor & master artisan. And I think what this thread has shown time & time again is that there's a lot of people who unfortunately do not understand what politeness & respect means.
Anyway, I'mnot going to go around in circles about this....if you choose to do it, then do it! And hopefully there's someone on my server who is willing to sell the schematics because I would rather spend my time doing other things than help those who are demanding & rude. If a polite person offered a decent amount, plus resources to make the schematic without demanding top quality (which I would do anyway, so it's insulting to demand itfrom me), I'd consider it. But that hasn'thappened yet. Luckily most people aren't like that....it's the few who ruin it for the many.
--Brianne
RylanTrousan wrote:
Well friends, I had no idea when i started this little thread that it would be so popular. So much venting! LOL Good for the tailors soul I say.
This has become a little highlight of the day to log in and see who has discovered the latest customer from hell. Needless to say I have found another one:
I was hanging out in Anchorhead grinding away and I get a tell
customer: Hi, your a tailor right?
me: ya (however did you figure it out with the tag above me head)
customer: I want a pimp outfit.
me: OK, hmm Lets see what we can do
(intrigued now, at this point I was going to cut him a deal just to say that I made a pimp outfit)
me: so how do you want to be "pimped out" per say?
customer: I want a white fur coat.
me: K can do that
customer: really loud stripped pants whatever loud colors ya got, with matching shirt
(interesting, hes to the point, and open, maybe my dream customer :smileyhappy
me: k got them rdy, anything else (should have known it was coming)
customer: I want a matching pimp cane and wide brimmed hat
me: well you can get a baton and use it for a cane i suppose, but no one can help ya with the hat, its not in game that i know of
customer: K how much?
me: we'll say 750cr
(at this point I was proud to have done it for him, and thought he would be proud of the price)
customer: no way?
me: no way what?
customer: thats to much
me: dude, thats a deal.
customer: well i wont pay it
me: cmon guy, I've already made your clothes, as per your requestand I am cutting you a deal at that
customer: I only have 40cr to my name
me: (really mad now) well your either a liar or a really broke pimp
customer: excuse me?
me: yeah you read me right. AAfter this conversation, I'll be banning you.
customer: Do I have to come slap you?
me: /addignore
In hindsight, It was funny as hell. At that moment. I could have chewed through bricks.
750cr is too expensive? i think you need to pimp-smack him, hehe...
today i got a customer that asked if it's ok to pay me 3k for my infiltration suit at 3.2k, because he didn't have enough money. i said yes, and he tipped me the credits... then he proceeds to buy another few k worth of stuff on my vendor o.O it was quite interesting...
